― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 08:49 (nineteen years ago) link
g-off, did you see almereyda's "hamlet" w/ethan hawke? i thought this was an extremely successful "updating" of shakespeare on film.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link
I did actually get this impression of R+J: a lot of the signifiers are explicitly modern but recognisable everyday reality is not one of them: it feels much more like taking certain aspects of contemporary life and exaggerating them into some sort of dream world.
I loved this film when I was 14, too: hearts, Greg, for this thread. Also you SO need to meet Ria asap, she was obsessed as well: you can talk to each other about R+J and Gareth.
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Oddly, this time around, I didn't like the priest as much.
― lundy fastnet irish sea (cis), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Um...I kinda thought that was the point.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link
i think i had to watch the zeferelli r&j more than once in high school, and with a STERN WARNING abt the TEEN TITTY each time.
― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Thematically resonant/modern, today (Othello, Troilus!, R&J, Hamlet, to some extent A&C and Lear, not really the comedies or histories, definitely not Titus)
2. Dramatically, resonant/modern, today, as films judged against films, in terms of how the story is actually told. (Othello, Comedy of Errors, probably nothing else?)
3. The cultural artifacts around which western culture is built (The "great tragedies" and R&J, and to some extent Ceasar and Anthony, less else than one might think).
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost bbbut this "very specific R. idea of italy" would not have been conveyed in any physical sense in the orig productions! so what do we do to be faithful? (not being stroppy with you here; it's an interesting question)
doing shakespeare in contemp (or even 19th cent) theatrical conventions (the proscenium, lights, sets) is as much an adaptation as doing a film really.
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I think one way (and this is not at all a conclusive answer) people have sensibly-ish dealt with the "very specific idea" is by 'diffrent-historical-period'-style adaptions (eg Ren. audiences know Italy is full of poisoners and creeps, where is the equivalent to the imagination of now?) (haha Italy), and for me the strength of BL's R&J is that it addresses this in a very very clever way - ie saying that what we need to equivolate is as much the sense of Italy as strange magical, a place of dream and intrigue and legend experienced only onstage, as the sense of it being violent, full of poisoners etc...
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:44 (nineteen years ago) link
*but not costume! but these were all anachronistic as well ie no togas in julius caesar etc.
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.interinfo.co.jp/102a%20romeo+juliet.jpg
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link
theater is so wierd; more than any other artform the blueprint for performance is totally incomplete (ok well jazz standards too)
― f--gg (gcannon), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Shakespearian texts don't offer a blueprint for performance because they're not designed for performance, thoughmaybe? Beckett gives pretty strict directions, after all.
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link
The Priest's Crucifix backpiece was a nice touch.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Isn't it that playwrights in Shakespeare's day weren't writing for multiple companies who could be producing the work anywhere, but for a specific troupe they'd be interacting with at the time of production?
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
plain as day!
― g e o f f (gcannon), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, exactly. I think what I actually meant by this was somethng like: 'The texts we call Shakespeare's Plays are records of performance, transcribed and printed for reading', but yeah, what you said.
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link
i have a real soft spot for this movie
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 9 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I've never seen it, but Leo was way hotter as a downy androgyne than now.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link
i like the idea that there is a difference between people who saw this and knew what florida was, so that it felt like a "modernizing" production, and people who saw this but really had no idea about florida and so the setting was as imaginary as Verona had been to shsksp's contemporaries.
― c sharp major, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
least favorite movie of all time
― iatee, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:32 (fifteen years ago) link
(Luhrmann is gay, right?)― Gravel Puzzleworth
he's not gay; i think his wife is his production designer.― Amateur(ist)
Baz Luhrmann is like all the worst qualities of gay males without any of the redeeming qualities.
― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Monday, 9 March 2009 17:51 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, I thought that was me!
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i have a softspot for this movie too but it took me a while. was expecting too much when i first saw it, so i was disappointed.
young leo + young claire was great
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 March 2009 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
this movie isn't good but leo and claire are both gorrrrrrrrrrrrrrgeous and do good jobs; every time the movie takes a fucking breath to let them hang out and speak actual full lines it's better than the zeffirelli. pete posthelwaite's good too i seem to remember.
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh and yeah leguizamo.
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
i still wanna play tybalt. peace?
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
leguizamo kills it
will never really be able to separate "this movie" from "seeing it at age 11"
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
or from "wearing the CD soundtrack out in 6th grade"
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
cast of upcoming adaptation by carlo carlei
Hailee Steinfeld ... Juliet Paul Giamatti ... Friar Laurence Ed Westwick ... Tybalt Douglas Booth ... Romeo Kodi Smit-McPhee ... Benvolio Christian Cooke ... Mercutio Lesley Manville ... The Nurse
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
chuck bass at tybalt is kind of inspired, he will be "good" but not good, or good but not "good" or whatever
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ4NzExMjA4NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjE3NDMxNw@@._V1._CR0,0,1365,1365_SS99_.jpg Part, fools! Put up your swords; you know not what you do.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTY2OTEwMDUzOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODU1NTQwMw@@._V1._CR0,0,333,333_SS99_.jpg What, art thou drawn among these heartless hinds? Turn thee, Benvolio, look upon thy death.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ4NzExMjA4NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjE3NDMxNw@@._V1._CR0,0,1365,1365_SS99_.jpg I do but keep the peace: put up thy sword, Or manage it to part these men with me.
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTY2OTEwMDUzOV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODU1NTQwMw@@._V1._CR0,0,333,333_SS99_.jpg What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: Have at thee, coward!
― max, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
have never seen this film, but Baz's Gatsby is gonna make it look good.
I saw R&M at the Public Theatre about 25 years ago w/ Cynthia Nixon, Peter MacNicol and Anne Meara (aka Ben Stiller's mom) as the Nurse.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link
i love leguizamo inordinately. this isn't a terrible film, it's just one of those things made more terrible by a cohort of its fanbase
― summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
the production & costume design on this movie is crazy good
i love leguizamo in it, and also harold perrineau's mercutio, though despite all this i'd say simply ballroom is the only luhrmann i really like
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
Leguizamo claims to be 47
HAHAHAHA
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago) link
I love him. I feel like 47 could be right, no?
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
I know people who did downtown improv with him in '79, and he was out of high school
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link
52 if he's a day
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
if only yer taste in politics and baseball teams were as good as yer taste in films, morbz ;_;
i despise baz lurhmann's films generally.
― wad of baloney (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
moulin rouge shares honors with napoleon dynamite as the worst "good" film that i turned off well before the halfway point b/c otherwise i would've hulk-smashed the DVD player.
― wad of baloney (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
at least i made it through romeo + juliet ... and was rewarded with radiohead at least.
― wad of baloney (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link
"rewarded"
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link
Douglas Booth ... Romeo
That's just good twink-casting right there.
― dead-trius (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, January 31, 2012
I thot we were agreed on politics, Eisbaer? fuck em all
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
Just wanted to share this glorious pan of ELVIShttps://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/elvis-review-baz-luhrmann-1234728121/
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 26 May 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
Watching this for the first time in foreverrrrrr and- had forgotten how good the opening brawl is- I always remember how great Harold Perrineau’s Mercutio is, Leguizamo’s Tybalt also incredible- soundtrack remains on point, Talk Show Host for that initial scene with Romeo is so great - I have NO memory of this sauna with Juliet’s father and Paris- you really get the textual sense of “These are two stupid and overly dramatic teenagers” in this adaptation, I was laughing at Romeo scribbling in his diary while sulking on the beach- what was going on with Juliet’s mother and Paris like
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link
Luhrmann's first couple of films are really good including this one
Leguizamo same, sadly misapplied talent
― Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:06 (two months ago) link
WHY UNCLE, TIS A SHAME is a fucking banner of a line Also, “give me my sin again”
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link
Banger *
MAKE A MUTINY AMONG MY GUESTS?
Also love how Leguizamo delivers the 'peace? Peace?' line.
Seen this so many times through teaching the text that I have no distance from it at all. Love it. I must say 'the boys the boys' a couple of times a week.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:44 (two months ago) link
Yeah that’s a superb delivery and the pause & crunch is insanely greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2FgZizcrc
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 22:36 (two months ago) link
So great, lurzman struck serious gold here, everything else he’s done has been completely not my thing at all, this is so weird and dreamy and sensational
― brimstead, Sunday, 17 March 2024 00:15 (two months ago) link
Yeah, he’s such a hacky vulgarian, no idea how he had it in him to make this.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 17 March 2024 00:46 (two months ago) link
otm to everything in the revive except nv's lament for leguizamo who has had imo a very interesting time of it
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2024 09:42 (two months ago) link
he may have continued to be really good in stuff i'm not interested in tbf
― Morris O’Shea Salazar (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 March 2024 10:16 (two months ago) link
what a great filmages welltime to rewatch
― Swen, Monday, 18 March 2024 07:25 (two months ago) link