David Lynch's "Inland Empire"

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Did anyone else think that Nikki's husband was supposed to be a parallel version of Freddie? Both are "good with animals," and I could see Peter J. Lucas turning into Harry Dean Stanton in 30 years. Also: the "unpaid bill" that the landlady comes to collect from "the man who lives here" = Freddie fishing for money from the film crew to pay his rent.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

no

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

the husband had enough parallel versions of himself

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, and I can't see anyone turning into H.D.S.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't resist the urge to show off: I'm interviewing Mr Lynch tomorrow!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Ask him if vomiting blood on the Hollywood Walk of Fame is "political."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw IE last night. Warning, hyperbole ahead.

It really is some kind of achievement. Over the course of 3 hours I was rarely bored. Sure, it could be trimmed 15 or 20 minutes, but that's saying something for a 3 hour, nonsensical, shot-without-a-script headtrip. Even when the film's in the throes of random & unmoored shapeshifting, Dern's performance and Lynch's craft sustain the emotion and mood. This is pure cinema, musical in a way, flowing forward & free under its own dissipation, a piece of ice moving across a hot stove. Not only does the grubby DV cinematography do justice to the nightmare world, it throws into stark relief the total control Lynch has over his materials. The shot composition, set design, lighting, makeup, and sound are impeccable.

And yeah, I've got my own pet theories about what happened. When Nikki wanders into the suburban home, she assumes another role, that of the lost girl watching the TV, following the garden of forking paths that various bad decisions have taken her in her life. On one path she has a son who dies, on another she is reunited with her son and husband. But it somehow seems petty or unfair to force strict logical structure over the movie's open ended mysteries.

I like how the themes resonate throughout; Hollywood & prostitution, performance & illusion, acting & role-playing, time & causality, choices & consequences. Mostly in passing details, like when the first visitor tells the story of the boy going out to play, she says something like "when he went through the door it made a reflection, and it was evil". The obvious word choice here would be "shadow" instead of "reflection", but reflection, doubling, mirroring, are all key to the film.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Still wanna know what the fuck LB stands for.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Me too. I almost convinced myself that it actually read "LD" for Laura Dern.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

L. Frank Baum seems to be a popular guess -- how about L.B. Mayer?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Still wanna know what the fuck LB stands for.

-- Edward III (edward.thur...), February 7th, 2007.

*clears throat*

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael Stipe reference?

Also coulda sworn the walk of fame star she drops the screwdriver on read "Dorothy Valens", but that was probably mind playin' tricks...

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

LAMOUR

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"Glamour is just sex that got civilized." - Dorothy Lamour

Leonard Bernstein, Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs

Ah, I'll go w/ latebloomer.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

9th of March is the national UK release date.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

seeing this tonight and am epicly stoked.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

hey me too!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

:-D

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

high expectations met and exceeded even!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to see it again but it left town. Ah well, DVD in June.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

does the audience laugh a lot at Grace Zabriskie's "bevare" act/warning at the start? At NYFF, yes; very little last month at art theaterplex.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I was surprised at the degree of laughs at the Castro screening - Zabriskie's initial gypsy act speech def. got some. There are plenty of moments in the film (and in most of Lynch's stuff) that tread this thin line between comedy and horror, making audience reactions rather hard to predict, I would think.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean Dern bleeding on the sidewalk and the homeless lady sayin "lady, yer dying" = big belly laughs at the Castro, apparently

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, Asian streetwoman's 'hole-in-vagina' story big laffer too

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

that sidewalk scene has lots of funny lines in it. that's an old trick of lynch's, obviously -- ok, can you laugh at this? (pretty much all of wild at heart is like that.) but i think that scene is maybe the best he's done it, the way the humor provides no relief from the underlying tension and instead ratchets it up.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, not many are willing to employ long bus route discussions while protagonist bleeds.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

creepiest scene of the movie!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

There were def. laughs from some college kids behind me, esp. during the "tits and ass"/"Loco-motion" scenes.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

to be fair I always find girls congratulating each other on how great their fake boobs are pretty comical myself

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I really loved that entire sequence though - the ghosts of the prostitutes and the Locomotion dancing and the explicit sisterly camraderie of the weird limbo they were all in

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

creepiest scene of the movie!

And one of the most beautiful.

I should probably limit my Tarkovsky quotes to somewhere between 0 and 1 a day, but the scene reminded me of this:

The allotted function of art is not, as is often assumed, to put across ideas, to propagate thoughts, to serve as an example. The aim of art is to prepare a person for death...

Most of the laughter I heard at Inland Empire = nervous.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, def not all amused laughter.

In Hollywood, girls congratulating each other on how great their fake boobs are must be like Pazz & Jop voters backscratching on their insights.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I really enjoyed this as well. Amazing how such a long movie with so many dialog-free interludes can hold your attention and never get dull. So glad I saw it in the theater. The kind of focus is requires, I think, is harder to maintain at home when other things are competiting for attention, at least for me.

The one thing I feel like I'm missing, reading discussion here and reviews elsewhere, is the impact of the low-res DVD and how that enhanced the movie. I wasn't really feeling it during some of the scenes where the edges were really harsh and everything was pixilated -- I mean, it's an aesthetic choice, of course, but it had a distancing effect for me that didn't necessarily seem right for the mood at times.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I found the DV distracting in some of the outdoor shots, particularly those shot in daylight - some of them had that harsh pixilation you mention and it didn't seem to add much. For the majority of the film though, Lynch's visual mastery came through very clearly./

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I met one of the "prostitutes" once at a party, the one with the mullet and the tatts. She's a friend of a friend in Dallas. Also, a "web" "model".

I also sat behind Shakey Mo for the screening.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

those two are unrelated just in case anyone has any ideas.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd say that the pixill/glare is a tradeoff for Lynch getting the nocturnal look elsewhere and being able to shoot the actors for a long time... except because no one makes day scenes look like that, it made those sequences "off" and/or nightmarish as well.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

also Lb = 47 turned upside down

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

In Hollywood, girls congratulating each other on how great their fake boobs are must be like Pazz & Jop voters backscratching on their insights

Keep far away from the Pazzin' Jop thread.

Since the film hasn't opened in Miami and probably won't, I've reconstructed the movie based on this thread discussion.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

being able to shoot the actors for a long time

This is key, I think; Lynch being able to shoot + shoot + shoot and pick the best stuff was freeing, as well as the ability to move the setup around easily. I guess a question to ask is, could he have made this movie using traditional film? Lynch sez no. That is a bit of a tradeoff...

also Lb = 47 turned upside down

Nice one.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

there were a lot of filmmaking tricks borrowed from TP/FWWM:

the whole black background and camera on closeup and having the character walk from out-of into focus is repeated from a similar shot of BOB in either the series or the film.

also Laura Dern checking the screen of the theater and then behind her in real time reminded me of the kyle maclachlan's opening scene of FWWM with david bowie where he's checking the security monitors.

more later, i'm really still processing a lot of the film.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

FYI: I believe it was "L.B." not "Lb".

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

also, re: FWWM with david bowie

justin thoreaux's character does that fast walk into extreme close-up that echoes a bowie scene in FWWM.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

wait a sec -- I think when I saw it the 2nd time w/ ian & tehresa, we came to the conclusion that it was in fact "47" on Dern's hand. Does "LB" come up otherwise at any point?

I have never seen FWWM but have reserved it at the library.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I found the DV distracting in some of the outdoor shots, particularly those shot in daylight

I dunno, I really liked the picnic scene. It was like a hellish pixelvision home movie.

FYI: I believe it was "L.B." not "Lb".

It was, but there was also that weird red line running through it. Seems like the kind of visual pun Lynch would pull.

Axxonnn? Action?

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

What would 47 signify, anyway?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.47.net/47society/

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

47 is the quintessential random number

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

It signifies the room number (as in Stardust Memories "I believe the Rolls Royce represented his car").

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's also the original name of the polish folk tale on which On High in Blue Tomorrows is based.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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