they're worried thousands of other ones have to resign all over the world. they dont give a shit about doing the right thing. these men of the cloth have lost their way. Still, they will get judged properly one day if what they believe in actually happens.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link
The biggest worry Benedict has lately is the insiduous threat of humans with breasts getting their feet in the door of ministering the word of Christ.
Again- this fucking guy.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean one of the worst things about being an ex-Catholic is that it's just really really hard to fully wash your hands of the whole deal - if you could just go, OK, you know what, that's an irredeemable snakepit of horror, everybody needs to gtfo now, but there's always this hope of people righting the ship. vain ridiculous hope I think if we're being realistic but you know what the fuck. all those generations of kids fucked up by these people and the best they can do is a vague "the Church grieves for victims but isn't about to actually make anybody bear any consequences, except the children of course, gotta shoulder your burden gracefully"
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
this fucking Vicar of Christ
― tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
well, suffer them, y'know? xp
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
that's the beauty of the afterlife- what you go through in this world is a downpayment.
they're doing those kids a favour, when you think about it.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
any actual practising Catholics posting in the thread or all we all ex-ones doomed?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i beat catholicism before i beat super mario world
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I went to mass a few times year before last when I was going through hard times & I have been known to still pray the rosary even though I have no faith to speak of. old habits and comforts die hard & painfully.
― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
man do i hate these fuckers
― plax (ico), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i can slip into it as needs be, funerals, weddings, christenings, the usual. it's a social necessity that i don't have to rail against or anything. most of our priests have been stand-up guys, tbh.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Nothing wrong with praying, even if it's out of habit as a kid. But i cant say I've ever said the rosary since school.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
yes, some priests we've had have been great guys. Im still shocked the one we had in the late 80s was a pedo. Funnily enough my mum didn't like him much, but she had no idea what he had done in the 1970s. It's disgusting he never went to jail.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
you can't go to jail for a sin silly- you're thinking of actual crimes. lol.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
priests are like celebrities
― plax (ico), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qIv--4bRQ6M/SwvKuE6HYRI/AAAAAAAAAGs/RiY0HVJUn-I/s1600/elvis3.gif
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
"my knob was only resting there"
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean one of the worst things about being an ex-Catholic is that it's just really really hard to fully wash your hands of the whole deal - if you could just go, OK, you know what, that's an irredeemable snakepit of horror, everybody needs to gtfo now, but there's always this hope of people righting the ship.
a lot of ppl who move to the periphery/outside of the church still feel committed to some dream of how the institution could be even when their whole ideology has been reworked, but catholics in particular seem to be stuck in orbit. ppl like mary grey have some good ideas about the church as a social institution in the community, but their commitment to that gets fudged w/ the appalling attitudes higher up, I would like ppl to assert the independent value of their churches over The Church, but thats prob my non-conformist background
― ogmor, Friday, 13 August 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
big proposed boycott of mass on sun 26th september in protest of the unacknowledged role of women in the church is making big news over here. could turn into a general protest encompassing sexual abuse and the response to it as well.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i doubt ppl will actually pay heed to this
― plax (ico), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
ppl who go to mass, or ppl who don't?
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
why does anyone even bother to be Catholic anymore
― glitter hands! glitter hands! razzle! dazzle! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
eh i don't know too many that hit 17 and decided to 'go for it' man?
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ppl who go to mass.
― plax (ico), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno about that- lol media, but it's gathering quite a bit of pace in the media
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Friday, 13 August 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n16/colm-toibin/among-the-flutterers
this is good
― plax (ico), Monday, 16 August 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
It'll be interesting to see what happens with this strike thing. Most of the people who still attend Mass have a lot invested in their Catholic identity - especially the generations born before 1970 or so (to pick an arbitrary year). My parents, and as far as I can see most of their peers, go to Mass every Sunday, even though they happily endorse positions contrary to teaching on most of the controversial issues and will criticise the handling of the abuse scandals at every opportunity. As has been pointed out upthread, people often accept a disconnect between appreciating the church as it manifests at a local level - Mass every Sunday, good priests - and scorning the politics and power games of the higher levels of the Catholic hierarchy.
At a family event a few days ago I observed a conversation in which my father declared to a group of middle-aged solid Catholics that the current Pope is "insane", and everyone agreed. They also discussed the strike in approving terms. But I'll be (pleasantly) surprised if any of them do strike, if only for the reason that their current relationship with the Church basically seems to ignore the higher-ups that are the target of the strike.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
wau @ that LRB piece. unfortunately i lack the nerve to forward it to all my still-practicing irish-armerican catholic relatives.
― the legendary sirius trixon (m coleman), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link
My dad and his sister, who have been devout Catholics their entire life and never disagree with anything emanating from throughout the Church, have passed on the opportunity to come down and attend the Pope's mass in Glasgow. I think, after 70 years, my dad's finally starting to see that what he gets on a spiritual and personal level from it does not necessarily translate throughout the Church. It will never take his faith away from him, but I couldn't have imagined a few years ago that he would pass up the opportunity to participate in a Papal visit.
Ogmor OTM about the being stuck in orbit thing, basically.
at least half of catholics in scotland come from the glasgow area, the rest of the area hates him but i doubt many will bother to protest
FWIW, I'd take my dad (and others like him) not attending the Papal Mass as a form of protest, it's not always about wielding pitchforks and twatting about outside Bellahouston Park with Jack Glass and Ian Paisley leading the crowds in a rendition of No Pope Of Rome. There have been a massive amount of tickets returned, and despite feeble "but it might be raining" noises, I can't believe the majority of people wanting to attend a Papal Mass would be put off by a bit of drizzle and a queue for the portaloos.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/pope-mass-briefs-are-returned-1.1045294
(quick sums show pfunkboy is claiming that over one and a half million people actively hate the Pope. I don't know anyone with much more than a "meh" to contribute about him and his visit, tbh, perhaps I should be thankful that I don't get out more)
― ailsa, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link
seandalai kinda nails the disconnect btwn everyday mass and 'THE CHURCH'.
― "It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Yet more good news for the Catholic Church
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link
those guys!
― Jarlrmai, Tuesday, 24 August 2010 11:55 (fourteen years ago) link
If they're not fiddling with kids, they're blowing them up, it's one thing after another with those guys
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
From the Guardian report:
An NIO official wrote back a week later confirming that the secretary of state, Willie Whitelaw, had held a meeting with Cardinal Conway, the head of the Catholic church in Ireland, and: "The cardinal said that he knew that the priest was a very bad man and would see what could be done. The cardinal mentioned the possibility of transferring him to Donegal."
A very bad man!
― Chaim Poutine (NickB), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link
A terrible man for the nail bombing
Mr Shillington said he would "prefer a move to Tipperary". Tipperary is about 200 miles from the border.
It's a long way to Tipperary, it's a long way to go
― It dreamed to Tom D. of the Caucasus (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 12:40 (fourteen years ago) link
http://web4.twitpic.com/img/162330200-fc0c12ffc51e71e7d2241ee09298924e.4c90d160-full.jpg
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link
My mum doesnt like crowds, so she never went in 1982 and wont go now. But she wont listen to any criticism of the church at all. She refuses to listen.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link
londond shows sold out at a fiver a ticket, demand for the pope is highly price elastic. who knew?
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link
“As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the 20th century...”
this dude is amazing
― caek, Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link
You don't get to be pope without a certain talent for inflexibility
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link
hell of a welcoming committee
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/818963/1224279045776.jpg
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link
tho wtf lawrie sanchez is doing there i dont know
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 14:23 (fourteen years ago) link
this fucking guythis fucking guythis fucking guythis fucking guythis fucking guythis fucking guythis fucking guy
― (+) (+ +), Thursday, 16 September 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
This Pope is pretty much the worst troll ever. "Sorry about the child abuse btw this is how Nazi Germany started". 15 suggest bans on his first post, guaranteed.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i didnt know Marcello was the pope!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 16 September 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Interesting how this has become the default thread for talking about Catholicism.
― seandalai, Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I <3 this Pope because he's doing a lot to kill off some of my lingering ex-Catholic sentimentalism
― aerosmith: live at gunpoint (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Why haven't Tatchell, Dawkins and Fry all linked arms and tried a citizen's arrest? Would expect the Pope's security is less likely to thump you than Mugabe goons.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
More likely to hang you off a bridge with masonic symbols stuffed up your arse later on tho
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link