NAMING RIGHTS THREAD: Liverpool really won't win the Premiership 2010-2011

Brad Jones? Liverpool? £2.3million? Que?

Jones qualifies as a "home-grown" player under the new Premier League rules after joining the Teessiders from Australian amateur side Bayswater City.

But so do lots of other keepers. Who don't cost £2.3million. And aren't shit.

Jermaine Jenas to Juventus?!

makes a change form the inter rumours. i still think he has one season of greatness in him.

dunno where lostandfound is going with this. scholes has gone in too late, too hard, too often for it to matter whether he went in to hurt anyone 'on purpose'.

he's the best english player of his generation, of maybe two generations given his longevity, but y'know- in reference to his tackling, don't think it should be swept under the carpet on the way to his canonisation.

That reminds me of a question I was going to pose - if Gascoigne was the unchallenged king of English football in 1990/91, and if everyone accepts that Rooney's had the crown for a few years now, who was the best English player in between?

David Beckham?

Pains me to say it, but Alan Shearer?

internationally or just of that nationality?

shearer or scholes respectively

tho really it's probably shearer then owen then beckham then ..... rooney, i guess- if the question is in the england shirt

Lest we forget Michael Owen and Teddy Sheringham, RIP.

God give it a rest on scholes, he is a nasty tackler and when he does it everyone says "oh that scholesy! what a delightful chap!"

The above ejaculation about the mona lisa says little more than "nobody should say anything bad about anyone ever"

And not only would it be totally okay for someone to discuss the character of leonardo da Vinci (or any other lauded figure) it'd also be more interesting than facile cliched hyperbole (like you know, comparing a footballer to the most famous artist of all time)

football is performance art

xxp to JM- had considered teddy, but tbf he was never england's star man or anything.

indeed. and an 'orrible caaaaant to boot.

There are a ton of plausible all-round candidates - the ones mentioned plus Gerrard, Lampard, Platt, Seaman, Waddle for the period immediately post-Gazza, Sol even. They've all got some kind of blind spot. That said, I had cause to look at Shearer's stats for something I was doing at weekend - absolutely phenomenal.

Could make a case for Robbie Fowler? Want to say Matt le Tissier as well, tbh.

(I'm just considering domestically here, btw, not being as au fait with the England national team as most people on this thread)

It's not like Scholes has ever significantly damaged (or just even minorly damaged) an opponent, so why dwell on that aspect of his game

so scholes gets credit for miracles now - didnt realise he'd been elevated to deity status.

at the end of the day though the "cheeky chappy scholesy" thing is just part & parcel hypocrisy of football - ~life~, even. like when we talked about the martin taylor thing, everyone loves a reducer but then gets on their high horse when bad stuff happens and so on.

perhaps the issue is that scholes isn't even smart about it - same stupid lunge every game - but we know/hope/fear he's still smart enough to know better ("dark arts", classic or dud?). and that then gets wrapped up in resentment towards the man utd/english sense of entitlement.

or just scholescocknballsphoto.jpg

"best english player" and "king of english football" are more often than not two entirely different things. player you can argue the toss about all day but shearer was the king in that period, without question.

Craig Bellamy's gone to Cardiff.

fuck.

There are a ton of plausible all-round candidates - the ones mentioned plus Gerrard, Lampard, Platt, Seaman, Waddle for the period immediately post-Gazza, Sol even. They've all got some kind of blind spot. That said, I had cause to look at Shearer's stats for something I was doing at weekend - absolutely phenomenal.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:58 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Could make a case for Robbie Fowler? Want to say Matt le Tissier as well, tbh.

― ailsa, Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:01 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Assuming we're talking about in the three lions shirt then.

Gerrard and Lampard never did it for England, despite being amongst the big stars of their time. Platt, Waddle, Seaman, Waddle eclipsed by Gazza then Shearer imo- being around for 92 did them no favours either. Sol was magnificent, but I dunno did he ever approach Shearer/Owen proportions even at his height in 98. Fowler- see lampard, gerrard but without their longevity in the league.

Le Tiss is the best footballer mentioned in this thread, rivalled only by Scholes, but not for England.

also fuck the taxman the welsh fa the courts and who the fuck ever else for continuing to let cardiff go on trading. load of bullshit.

ugh god i hate cardiff.

I wasn't considering solely internationally, mostly because I wasn't really paying much attention to England for large periods. There was a brief period where Robbie Fowler was the best English player in England (thought we were just filling in gaps between Gazza and Rooney), and I <3 Matt le Tissier, so yeah.

bellamy to cardiff is kinda classic

hope cheeky chappy shaun derry snaps him in two.

It is great in that he basically said ages ago that he didn't give a shit about the Prem any more and just wanted back home to Wales. I wish someone had given him a timetable for flights from Cardiff to Glasgow though :-(

xpost, ooh, someone doesn't like him!

haha no, i secretly quite like bellers same as everyone else. stick him in a cardiff shirt though and all bets are off.

"I am strangely drawn to Bellamy. He is awful. But he weirdly also tells the truth and seems sometimes very plausible in among all his terrible bust-ups. Now and then you wonder. Maybe it's football and not him."

^ sorry to rep barney ronay again but this, basically.

like maybe john arne riise DOES deserve a savage golf clubbing in the grand scheme of things, who knows yknow

I can get behind the oddly pro-Bellamy sentiment. Surely some bigger teams than Cardiff have missed a trick by not taking him on though? He'd have had the City Reject With Point To Prove thing going on and presumably he's taking a pay cut to go to Cardiff anyway (or are City paying his wages still?). Maybe that's why they haven't loaned him to anyone in the EPL.

Riise was also knocked unconscious by John Carew while on Norway duty. The club doctor or someone was quoted as saying "I don't want to repeat what Riise said but I have never seen Carew that angry in my life".

ooh norwegian gossip

can't see cardiff paying bellamy 90k a week so either city relented (but why?) and are paying some or he took a cut

Club doctor = "team doctor".

The Riise-Carew smackdown was a fair while ago, I was just pointing out that the ginger one has made more than one enemy in his career is all.

wait rodallega is available for 10m? are wigan MENTAL?

The celebrated bust-up between Carew, who plays professionally for Roma, and Riise, who plays for Liverpool, has made headlines all over Europe. Now it seems the circumstances of a quarrel that exploded into a brawl could have had even more serious consequences.

Riise reportedly regained consciousness quickly, but Carew's attack was so brutal that teammates were never in doubt that Carew would have to be penalized. He was suspended and banned from playing in Wednesday's friendly match against Portugal, which Norway ended up losing 1-0.

Others have claimed since the fight that Riise also should have been punished, since he provoked Carew by, among other things, spitting repeatedly on his shoes.

Riise has admitted that he also behaved badly. "I didn't say anything ugly, I didn't swear or do anything racist," he told newspaper Dagbladet, "but I went too far."

- ptuww!
- stop that!
- ptuww!
- grr!

that is classic 13 yr old stuff. no wonder he sounded sheepish.

carew all hopping from foot to foot with dainty frustration

oooeeewwwoooww you dirty whyiotta

Did the same thing happen prior to Bellamy deciding to escalate things by braining him with a golf club? I was never up on the details of that little spat.

"braining" would involve Riise having his brains in his legs (lol crap footballing metaphor would have that to be true an all). Apparently it was because Riise wouldn't join in at karaoke.

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

iirc bellamy hilariously also stewed on the whole thing for hours before suddenly deciding to burst into riise's room and hack away while he was asleep.

"try sleeping with a broken leg!", the alicia keys fan bellowed tearfully.

looool

iirc bellamy hilariously also stewed on the whole thing for hours before suddenly deciding to burst into riise's room and hack away while he was asleep.

― r|t|c, Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:59 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

see, i know dudes like this.

they were all footballers fwiw

yeah i also know dudes like that but i just assumed it was cos theyre all from birmingham, or not-london as i tend to think of it.