Gays, its summer 2010 so... EVERYBODY TAKE OFF YOUR SHIRTS

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just that wording makes it sound like m@tt wants to have his cake and eat it too, but without the pressure of expectations

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link

aw T - i just remember when you were in NYC not this most recent time, but the time before - and M@tt came to a show, and he seemed kinda sad and mopey, like he was totally missing you.

sarahel, Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think he's having second thoughts. i'm more afraid that he's retreating into himself, and um...not to get into his DSM-IV.2 or whatever, but that isn't good.

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

sarahel, yeah, i think that's it re: the insecurity about what role i can or want to play in him getting less fucked-up.

btw, we just exchanged txts and he's still like 'come visit me at work today, hope you're having a good one.' i mean, it obv isn't a break-up scenario, but something else....

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

if the idea of a downgrade in commitment is freaking you out, i would suggest being more assertive about what you want out of the situation, and going after him. it's obvious you think he's worth it.

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

mental illness is scary enough for the person who suffers from it, and being in a committed loving relationship and wanting to get better is scary because it's something that the mentally ill person can fuck up, not just for themself, but for the person that they love. I dunno if he has guilt issues ... but ... i've been in his position when i was a lot younger and it didn't end well.

sarahel, Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

do you think the conversation he initiated was more about your relationship than his mental baggage, or the other way around?

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

both v different problems

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i understand that it's scary. (disclosure: after a long relationship and break up last year, he tried to turn himself in, if you get my veiled wording). but as someone who has also been on both sides of the equation, i want to be there. i'd rather get hurt by him in helping him than get hurt by him otherwise.

anyway, i'm seeing him later, it'll be a talk.

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

yea just be honest with yourself, i would say. about what you both want.

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

if you want to hang or whatever, lemme know - but you've also got plenty of other irl supportive friends, too!

sarahel, Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

hey sarah, thanks. we shld totally get drinks sometime.

and surm, yeah, i think honesty is key word here.

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i'd rather get hurt by him in helping him than get hurt by him otherwise.

this is a very healthy attitude imo

d4n, d4n, d4n (yausah, yausah, yausah) (The Reverend), Sunday, 22 August 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

talk went well. we split a burger and hashed it out. so! :D

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

yay!

d4n, d4n, d4n (yaosah, yaosah, yaosah) (The Reverend), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

isn't splitting a burger the best

congratulation

janice (surm), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

it is the best! it was just a really nice talk.

ily's were said.

feeling a lot better now. thanks for all the support, friends.

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

and thx for getting me in the mood for beef

thx a whole fucking lot

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

;)

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

mmm burger and hash.

Glad it worked out, tabes. I got to this conversation too late but it sounded to me earlier like all you guys needed was a tete a tete, especially after this morning's head a head.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

fluffy buns

baseball michael jordan (crüt), Monday, 23 August 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Old people leering.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2010 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

hey, former lover on the cover of SPANK magazine:
http://spankzine.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/spank16-cover1.jpg?w=750&h=755

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Monday, 23 August 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

hey, has anyone heard from r@mzi after he ground his jaw to death last night?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

what?

Count Scrofula (corey), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm fine thanks

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

My buddy in Bushwick went clubbing last night and got real lucky with a guy who looked like you. WAS it you?

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

no no it wasn't, i was occupied with other things

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't decide what song to listen to

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

"like a surgeon"

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

something chill, maybe

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

or weird al sure

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

lol no the ciara one. it's very chill.

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

like, very.

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

-_-

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

feels like fall today

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

intensely fall

this day is incredible

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

incredibly dreary?

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

the air, the crisp breeze, the perfect shade of gray ... u crazy boy

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

janice i introduced my man to sandra lee the other night. don't think he gets her, but that's ok, we are still tight.

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

ok it's all good

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Sandra Lee is like every mom

Count Scrofula (corey), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

aww america

janice (surm), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

i hope so and i hope not at the same time xp

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

he also hadn't heard of "hobby lobby" before, then i introduced him to jean teasdale

what if "middlebrow" is pubes? (Matt P), Monday, 23 August 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

My mom does not fry sunflowers in canola oil and sour cream.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

my moms microwaves things more than i think is necessary or healthy— i haven't had a microwave in 4 years and avoid them at all costs— but otherwise, no, my mom is nothing like sandra lee. the night before i left, she made meatloaf using ground veal, pork, and beef, with a side of spicy squash and my favorite lemon-dill asparagus. she cooks like that all the time, and pretty much has since i can remember.

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Monday, 23 August 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link

also, while it feels like fall in new york, it is 88 here in oakland and everyone is like 'wtf'

johnsons in my pubescence, other than my own (the table is the table), Monday, 23 August 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

that dinner sounds nice

janice (surm), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link


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