Katrina's aftermath

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growing up in south carolina i was always clear that new york media outlets treated my state with the utmost respect and dignity

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Houston's a lot more sophisticated than New Orleans. one of the singing Senators is from Vermont. and Trent Lott isn't exactly the Christian right's poster boy.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

My 2 cents on that levee article: It wasn't the cost of the war, but the lost revenue from tax cuts.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

'which bushco approval rating spike resulted in my family's homelessness?'

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

frank, i'd say it's both. what revenue that would remain after the tax cuts (which came before the war, of course) is now gone because of the cost of the war, which is why the war itself (along with a lot of other government functions) is being run on deficit spending.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Lots of breaking news from nola.com here, better than the separate blog for immediate info, though that has provided a full rundown of emergency contact info.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Louisiana pleas for continued federal funding


As they try to assess the damage from Hurricane Katrina, Louisiana officials pleaded with the White House Tuesday to waive federal rules that would push a portion of the cleanup and recovery costs onto the state.

Calling the destruction “well beyond anything that has happened in our history,” the state’s congressional delegation asked President Bush to authorize the federal government to pick up all of the post-disaster bill.

Normally, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) pays 75 percent of the costs of debris removal and rescue efforts while state and local governments pay the rest. Frequently, FEMA will pay the whole tab for the first 72 hours.

The delegation asked that FEMA pick up 100 of the costs even beyond that, as was done in Florida last year after a series of hurricanes.

The request came as water continued to breach a major levee in New Orleans, pushing flood waters ever higher and prompting Gov. Kathleen Blanco to order an evacuation. New Orleans’ water pumping system has collapsed and much of the southeastern part of the city is under water.

“Louisiana sits at a perilous crossroads,” the nine-member delegation wrote. “This incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the state. Without your direct intervention, we will not receive this much-needed assistance.”

There was no immediate response on the request from the Office of Management and Budget.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

blah blah yankee strawman blah blah left wing media conspiracy blah blah

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

If she REALLY wanted to pile on she should have said something like, 'pay 100%, please, like you did for Jeb Bush, your brother, and his state!'

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Alabama story:

"We've been very fortunate that the loss of life in Alabama has been very, very minimal," said Jim Walker, the state's homeland security director.

Nevertheless, Walker characterized damage in the state as "extensive."

"We do have water in the streets, still, in Mobile. We have coastal roads that have been closed," he said. "We've got roads that are out. We've got a bridge that's out."

That bridge is the Cochrane-Africatown USA Bridge on U.S. 98 in Mobile, which is the detour route used for transporting hazardous materials not allowed in downtown tunnels on Interstate 10.

The bridge was closed Monday when an oil rig broke loose in the storm and jammed under it. Officials fear it could have damaged the structure. (Full story)

The closure will force trucks carrying hazardous materials to make a 70-mile detour, said Tony Harris, a spokesman for the Alabama Department of Transportation.

The Bankhead tunnel, which takes U.S. 98 under the Mobile River, also was closed by water covering its entrances, Harris said.

The Interstate 10 tunnels in downtown Mobile were open, but only one lane in each direction was available because of pumping operations to keep the tunnels dry, according to the Alabama DOT. Pavement in the tunnels was wet, but there was no standing water.

I-10 was passable through Alabama, but only to the Mississippi state line, Harris said.

Aerial footage of Dauphin Island off the coast showed flooding, but most of the structures appeared to be mostly intact.

In the coastal town of Bayou La Batre a number of boats swept up by the storm were pushed deposited inland in wooded areas.

In a demonstration of Katrina's reach, more than 182,000 of the customers without power Tuesday were in the Birmingham area and another 132,000 were in and around Tuscaloosa, both more than 150 miles inland.

Alabama Power spokesman Bernie Fogarty warned customers they would be in for a "prolonged outage."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing in that article but apparently a good number of buildings in baldwin county on the east side of the bay south of i-10 got smoked.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

>yeah i was just trolling man theres no bias against the rural south in our national news media<

Of course, because no one in the North cared about Hurricane Hugo and it go no coverage whatsoever. And the only reason this storm (apart from the fact that it may be the most deadly since Galveston at the turn of the 20th century, of course) is getting interest is because its in a tourist location. Uh huh. Riiiight.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

no one up here cared about hurricane andrew either. it's not like many of us have ELDERLY RELATIVES IN FLORIDA or anything.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

haha miami = the rural south now???

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

all red states = rural south.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

(i know, florida =! the south cuz there are too many jews)

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

orange beach and gulf shores sure as hell ain't "rural."

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, anyway. President of Tulane has sent out this:

Tulane University


Current Status

August 30, 11:45 a.m.

Dear Tulane Faculty, Staff, Students and Friends:

As you all know by now, New Orleans and the surrounding parishes were severely damaged by Hurricane Katrina. The physical damage to the area, including Tulanes campuses, was extensive.

Unfortunately, conditions in the city continue to deteriorate, making it virtually impossible to begin recovery efforts. On a very positive note, in Tulanes case, we are very thankful that all of our people are safe, including all the students and staff who evacuated to Jackson, Mississippi.

We have started the process of assessing the condition of our campus facilities and determining how long it will take us to reopen. This assessment process will take days because many of the answers will be determined by how quickly the city and its services become operational. The situation is further complicated by the fact that! there is no power in the city, water levels continue to rise, all city roads are blocked, and the vast majority of our workforce had to leave the parish as part of the mandatory evacuation order. It is unclear at this time when people will be allowed to return to the city.

Given the uncertainties, we cannot determine at this time when employees and students should return to campus. We will do the best we can to keep you appraised of our situation and progress.

Also, I want to remind you that the universitys main website is not operating at this time and we do not know when we will be able to bring it back on-line. Due to this, the Tulane email system is not functioning. However, this website (emergency.tulane.edu ) will continue to have the most up-to-date information about university operations and the Tulane Alert Line at 1-877-862-8080 and 1-504-862-8080 will also have! the most current information available. These communication vehicles are the best source of information about Tulane since phone and cell service are unreliable.

I realize that you have many more questions than we have answers at this time. However, Im sure you understand the complexity and difficulty of the situation we face. Nonetheless, we are determined to move forward as quickly as possible and make Tulane University an even stronger and healthier institution. We have been in New Orleans for 171 years and we look forward to another century in this great city.


Scott S. Cowen

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

and my grandma doesn't live anywhere near miami, so wtf do you know.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

but you guys are right, all those 'those people deserved to die - their state's electoral votes went to bush' post-hurricane comments definitely come from southerners. yep.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

that jandek show is definitely not happening.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

blount, where on this thread did ANYONE say that?

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

but you guys are right, all those 'those people deserved to die - their state's electoral votes went to bush' post-hurricane comments definitely come from southerners. yep

pat robertson and jerry falwell are southerners who said 9/11 was god's retribution for america's sin.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

From a blog comment:

First footage of Slidell and Eden outside of New Orleans is coming in on WWL.

Eden by a miracle has been spared with only a rapidly receding 4 foot flood. Slidell... well, some of the footage looks Tsunami level. 20 foot surge from the lake quoted. The centre looks sort of intact if heavily flooded, but the lake fringe - about two blocks deep ... there doesn't seem to be anything left at all. Just debris. I pray enough evacuated.

"Been hit and been hit hard." - Slidell Police Chief. "Water lines torn loose... no communications, isolated from outside world... just local communications... concerned people with famalies may try to come back... can't supply basic needs of life. Many, many days until electricity restored... Need to get the message out that the emergency care workers have had no fatalities or injuries, to reassure the famalies." --- (Paraphrased) "As to city fatalities, we don't know. But seemingly no major fatalaties as of yet."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Frank.(Ned: still a nice rack, and great thread to boot.) Still catching up with friends and relatives on Coast, (Esp. Baldwin County area Stence just mentioned.) (NBC News on now: "70 dead [more than that to be confirmed, I'm pretty sure]; 5,000,000 without power [in Jackson MS, 170 miles inland, for inst.]; didn't catch how many homeless, either 10,000 or 100,000, either seems plausible at this point.) NPR interviewing people on st. in N.O.:" if a gas station is open, there's nothing to buy but beer and wine." A woman cries, while confessing "I took some food for my family. I never, ever thought I'd come to this." Hurricane season has gone so far against odds last few years, really does seem like global warming's generally-agreed on acceleration will mandate some kind of radical population shift away from coasts, all over the world, not just on the Gulf (though that's the best place to start). Not that it won't get cocked up at best, esp. if Bush and his backers have to overtly concede existance of global warming, but....

don, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

While I don't remember any offhand except for Floyd, haven't there been an inordinate amount of hurricanes that have hit New England in the past, too? (all the more reason to feel bitter about the idea of some people in the Northeast being smug about this... well, any smugness about this event from anywhere is just sickening, obviously )

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes limit it to 'um, just on this thread', since when was trife referring to a specific post on this thread (especially since anyone on this board wanting to crack those jokes has what - four? five? - other threads devoted specifically to that purpose).


xpost right stence but you and jody don't jump up to blast anyone who suggests pat robertson and jerry falwell might be assholes.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, Mr. President! While hundreds are feared dead and one of the largest cities in America rests underwater, how did you spend your Tuesday?

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.capm10208301856.bush__capm102.jpg

I attribute this more to stupidity than apathy, for what it's worth.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

all the more reason to feel bitter about the idea of some people in the Northeast being smug about this

i'll admit that i feel lucky to be in a city where "acts of god" like this are rare if not nonexistent, but we're still a big-league target for terrorism obv.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

>orange beach and gulf shores sure as hell ain't "rural."<

What part of the Southern Shoreboard is "rural"? This is a stupid fucking argument. You can't go across any section of shoreline in the US without bumping into a city or vacation destination.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Don. About to go home -- friend's back in town from a year overseas and he's crashing with me for a few days so I'm going to get him settled in and all. Will check in later.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

because pat robertson and jerry falwell are assholes, blount. and so are you, so far on this thread. i've REPEATEDLY made my disgust known at laugh-at-the-hurricane-victims stuff, so has jody, while all you do is sit around and blame the people who aren't even doing it!

anyway new york is just as susceptible to hurricanes (see: 1820s) so laugh away when it happens here, just don't expect me to not call you an asshole then, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

White people don't loot, by the way. They "find bread".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Herr W. is flashing a funny interpretation of the G chord there...

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Though one last thing for now -- Jesus H. This is a photo of the oil rig that smashed into the Cochrane Bridge in Mobile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/americas_katrina_hits_us/img/8.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes limit it to 'um, just on this thread', since when was trife referring to a specific post on this thread (especially since anyone on this board wanting to crack those jokes has what - four? five? - other threads devoted specifically to that purpose).

look. just please stop it with your "northerners drive like this" shtick. your attitude is exactly as smug as the attitude you're criticizing.

we have red states, you have blue states, we have centers of conservatism and fundamentalist religion, you have "liberal" tourist meccas. we even have uneducated poor people and some of them aren't even white!!

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, Stence, Jody, James, Ethan? What are you fighting about? Seems off-topic.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

well stence if nyc does get hit by a hurricane and you call people making jokes about it assholes remind me to use your behavior as a guide and to immediately blast you for doing so while ducking out of it with the caveat 'o i think people making those jokes are assholes - but you better not say anything of the kind'. in the meantime you and jody and the bluestate equivalent of fuxx that try to spin people disgusted by ann coulter or pat robertson as 'humorless'. sorry if i don't find one of the best cities in america underwater, some of the poorer parts of america devestated, and god knows how many people dead 'hilarious' or 'justified' because some of their elected officials are republican. i'm an asshole that way.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

when the fuck did i make fun of anyone dying, blount!?!?!? POINT IT FUCKING OUT.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost) ok, well, i'm gonna lunch-monitor myself now and shut up. back to hurricane news.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

No James, don't point it out. Please stop this discussion and get back to the matter at hand.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i hadnt really realised it was biloxi that took the brunt. mary and i were there a couple of years ago. i know its kind of daft, to worry, but, is the ole biloxi schooner ok? is it still standing?

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

you have your head so far up your own ass, it's appalling. my stepmom's family LIVES in new orleans and chalmette, you fucking douchebag. my dad and stepmom didn't evacuate even though ivan's eye tracked just east of their house last year. and i never made the kind of jokes about the 4 florida hurricanes being retribution for 2000 that MANY OTHERS made on ilx. FIND ONE REAL SCAPEGOAT, you stupid fucking dipshit.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

And James, please don't respond to stence's last post.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

There are several reports that the Uptown area remains unflooded, particularly around Magazine and Jefferson (at least to Webster)

This is pretty much exactly where I live (Mag and State, a block from Webster) and very close to where Kyle/Fetchboy indicated he would be staying. So that's a slight silver lining for the shit-covered stormcloud of today.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

in the meantime you and jody and the bluestate equivalent of fuxx that try to spin people disgusted by ann coulter or pat robertson as 'humorless'.

i am disgusted by both of those "commentators," and i am disgusted when people do it on the left to those in the south. WHERE DID I SAY FUCKING OTHERWISE YOU FUCKING MORON?

sorry if i don't find one of the best cities in america underwater, some of the poorer parts of america devestated, and god knows how many people dead 'hilarious' or 'justified' because some of their elected officials are republican. i'm an asshole that way.

HELLO YOU DUMBSHIT WHERE DO YOU THINK MY FAMILY'S FROM??!??!? WHERE DO YOU THINK MY GRANDFATHER'S BURIED??!?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i am sorry to everyone else on this thread but blount's complete idiocy has got me incredibly fucking mad and i'm not gonna sit back and take it. i'll stop in a minute but for now FUCK YOU BLOUNT YOU STUPID WINDBAG.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Or to this one.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry frank. i am really frustrated not knowing what's going on with people who i care about. i know i shouldn't take it out on the thread.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm concerned about bay st. louis. my grandparents got married there when my grandpa was stationed in meridian during wwII.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link


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