dayo, that's bullshit. My favorite film of the '00s was Mulholland Dr.
(critically acclaimed)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
no. a "ride" doesn't have a script. xp
to clarify morbz, this is the first time I have seen you actually explain what you like about a movie in a positive way
― tumlbrah (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
what negative ways have i used before?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
do the godfathers really deny that the mob is about grade school dropouts killing each other? It's not like everyone's Michael in those films.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Read one Spielberg thread.
― Eric H., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Since when is saying "at least it isn't romanticized phony shit" positive in the first place?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
cuz it speaks well of Pileggi and Scorsese's judgment in avoiding a trap, and in talking UP to the audience.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
before you explain how the Godfather talks down the audience, can you explain how it denies that the mob is about numbskulls killing each other?
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
cuz while the tone is pretty operatic and grand (not sure I'd call that talking down to the audience, though), its still mostly a bunch of guys shooting each other.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
hey vaffanculo ya goombahs.
SHASTA OUT
― Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
But in the scene at Tommy’s house, where Martin Scorsese’s mother has her cameo fixing the guys dinner and Billy Batts is outside bleeding to death in the trunk, Henry is laughing with the others over the Batts being a goner. In his heart, Henry is as much of a murderer as they are. But in the film he’s just an accomplice to murder.
Did this guy see the same movie that I did? Was it him laughing or was it him always being so quiet?
He may have gone heh heh to keep up the cover, but he wasn't anywhere near being the murderer Tommy and Jimmy were.
― http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― Eric H., Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:08 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark
ILX has speilberg threads?
― tumlbrah (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
how about the end of godfather 2 when michael kills his brother and basically damns himself to hell
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILER ALERT s1ocki :(
― tumlbrah (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
ian grey's moralizing in that article is super-tiresome
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
At the end, Henry doesn't care about the piles of corpses he has passive-aggressively accumulated. He's bummed because he can't get a good red sauce (Rim shot!) in witness protection.
o no they don't all hug and learn at the end
croup, there's all that bullshit about Vito being against narcotics trade, and how they're really just a loving family that went astray
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link
there's the very same bullshit about the patron (Pauly Sorvino) being against the narcotics trade in Goodfellas Morbsies. Ayyyy vaffanculo *grabs nuts*
― Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess one upside of "Goodfellas" is that without it, we wouldn't have Showtime’s "Dexter," an infinitely more complex work on almost every level except visually.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
leave the guns, grab the nuts
― tumlbrah (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link
nothing to see here folks
*bites knuckle a la bowzer in sha na na*
― Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Speaking of morality in American entertainment...
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
croup, there's all that bullshit about Vito being against narcotics trade
surprised you of all people don't believe an old guy could get arbitrarily moralistic about the good old days
and how they're really just a loving family that went astray
I really don't get how you could get this from the two films, but even if you did, that doesn't mean the film denies the thuggish nature of the mob - if anything that's the corrupting element.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link
godfather is definitely a more romantic movie than goodfellas, but someone could easily say that goodfellas is more cynical and cartoonish
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
From the first line, "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster," the film proclaims its limitations. Because Martin Scorsese does not do psychology, the best one could expect is a portrait of machismo in crisis situation -- which means brilliantly rendered violence from which the main characters learn nothing.
I don't get how the second part follows the first - is all of that really contained in the line "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster"
also lol at drawing arbitrary distinction between art and not art by inclusion of nihilism
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
But because I had been a first wave punk rocker, I knew those buzzes were not to be trusted
nuh uh, not gonna get fooled again, nope
― Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile (dayo), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The things I loved about "Goodfellas" -- the wedding where every man is named Peter or Paul and all the women Marie; De Niro getting pissed about the silencers not fitting the guns; the guys making a nice pork sauce in prison; even Henry beating the crap out of that douche bag that hurt Karen -- I still treasure. The rest I reckon I'll be dealing with from different angles, as long as I'm around to reckon.
yeah....have fun with that.
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, fuck this idiot
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:49 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
seriously. it's not like goodfellas isn't already a moralistic film; the second half of the movie is basically all about hill's life of crime becoming increasingly more unsustainable and pathetic.
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, The (first) Godfather is a very good movie, it's just a lie. So were most of the great Cagney gangster films before White Heat.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Shasta, the fallout from Pauly's opposition to drug trade doesnt have the same weight or consequences of Vito's, so stfu
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The (first) Godfather is a very good movie, it's just a lie.
Not sure Goodfellas is that much more "the truth," feels like the difference is tone rather than content in a lot of ways, but I'm glad to hear you say this. Was tempted to ask if you hated Citizen Kane for piling "phony romantic bullshit" on the newspaper industry.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
that gq oral history is quite magnificent, no
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well i think the difference is a lot in the details croups... i get the feeling that mario puzo was just making stuff up as he went along whereas the specifics of gfellas is what makes it great.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
that's fair to a point, and I can see why someone would prefer either. But the idea that Goodfellas is inherently better for reveling in the thuggish, criminal side rather than an immigrant dynasty feels as moralistic and arbitrary as Mr. Grey's reasons for acclaiming Casino and Shutter Island.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
feel like morbs def has a point here, tho its maybe overstated, a lot of peoples love for the godfathers is on a 'arent these people magical' type level due to the flakey romanticism of the thing
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
that's so weird to me
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i like 'the godfather' and 'goodfellas'
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:31 (thirteen years ago) link
everyone in the godfather is completely miserable
not sure a lot of people's Goodfellas love is any more considered
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― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
no but godfather def has this 'family' thing that gives it a warm glow. i agree. and that might be dishonest. but it is why people love it so much. you want to be hanging out with these guys. you want to be tom hagen, the adopted member of the family.
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
the sheen of power fascinates - while i certainly enjoy some godfathers feel like slocki has a strong point re the positive atributes of verisimilitude
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
plenty of goodfellas fans want to hang out with those guys, some because they wish they got kick the shit out of people all the time
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link
YOU POPPED YOUR CHERRY!!!
― If Airplanes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport (s1ocki), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
a lot of peoples love for the godfathers is on a 'arent these people magical' type level due to the flakey romanticism of the thing
This was certainly a trope in the public response to The Godfather 35 years ago; no one cares now.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
the first half of goodfellas is like that, basically all warm and family-ish, but um then it changes. but because it's first-person, um, that kind of changes shit. 'the godfather' has a totally different attitude to its material.
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
feel like i never see middle age dudes get all sparkly eyed reciting lines from goodfellas
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link
no, just college students
― da croupier, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link