DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived Cleggeron era

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Disagree, Cameron's project appears to be to devolve huge areas of state power out to "society" - volunteers/charities/the private sector.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link

And yeah, while Thatcher didn't shrink state spending, she still sold a lot of state-owned assets off and underspent on others (health, education etc). It's just that spending on other areas (defence, welfare, police maybe) ballooned in that time.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link

She also pretty much invented the Quango

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link

But yeah, I'm aware that in practise the Tories haven't been that anti-big government when actually in power, but then again Labour aren't too hot on social democracy when in power either.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link

They were pretty good on early years stuff. It's almost like there was a religious thing with Labour - kids are innocent, so it's OK to help them out, but adults deserve everything that's coming to them.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Kids play better with voters, "child poverty" is really adult poverty most of the time. Poor single people don't resonate as much.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Could be interesting having a "single person" as leader of the Labour Party. Single people generally don't exist in political debate. Oh hold on, he has a (hard working, no doubt) family.

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Think we had a "single person" as PM for a few years back in the 70s.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link

He took up two seats though (boom boom)

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Terribly musical and fond of hanging out with sailors I believe

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:42 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a lot of innuendo but if he rly was a 'confirmed bacheler' it would have been revealed by now

he seems to have been a very difficult character (scrupulously unpleasant) and kinda ascetic, different generation and all that

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, Ted was just a weirdo

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i like how he left his entire will to preserve his house as a museum/archive in perpetuity, but there's not enough money (clearly wasn't whoring it enough on the after-dinner circuit)

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:23 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a lot of innuendo but if he rly was a 'confirmed bacheler' it would have been revealed by now

I'm sure this was pretty much confirmed.

Apparently he was 'seen' hanging around HamHeath back before his political career took off, and was told if he wanted to pursue his ambitions, he'd have to give up "all that". and so he did.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Stuck to playing with his organ thereafter

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:31 (thirteen years ago) link

if it begins w/ 'apparently' and connects edward w/ his hampstead namesake then it's probably innuendo

you may be right tho

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:32 (thirteen years ago) link

No wonder he was grumpy

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't blame him.

The 'apparently' is mine: I saw this on a BBC doc, but I can't remember who it was who said it, but he was very definite that it was him who said it to EdHeath.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Something was definitely in someone's endo /dadjoek

are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

xp - this was certainly the claim on the delightful Brian Coleman, but then he would say just about anything for a couple of (column) inches.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/brian-coleman/2007/04/gay-member-london-heath

Duncan Donuts (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

"of" the delightful, etc...

Duncan Donuts (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Andrew Witty, chief executive of the pharmaceuticals company GlaxoSmithKline, and Paul Walsh, chief executive of Diageo, will become members of the Prime Minister's new business advisory group.
'New' business advisory group:
Walsh and Witty were both members of Brown's Business Council for Britain

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Sounds quangoid to me

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

from blair babes to glaxo babies

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

nice!

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

"Quangoloid, he was a quangoloid
One cronyism too many"

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/29/lady-warsi-british-press-anti-islam

they might have used an actual elected politician to make this point? no?

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Think if they wanted an actual elected politician they've have a choice of two iirc.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 08:42 (thirteen years ago) link

So she's worried about the anti-Islam press but comes out with unsubstantiated claims in which she blames asian communties?

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Thursday, 30 September 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link

From her numerous appearances on TV over the years this woman appears to be an idiot - albeit a useful for one for the Tories

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i still fail to see why the milis couldn't have formed an RFK-JFK style dynamic duo

tho i guess RFK and JFK's brilliant move in that regard was to not uh run for president at the same time as each other

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link

i think you're underestimating the older/younger dynamic too. and kennedy sr. basically told them what to do careerwise iirc. the miliband's don't really have that (via dead father). the situations aren't that comparable.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link

In the old days the press made all this sound like great fun—all those beautiful rich people playing touch football on the lawn—but in retrospect, one suspects it was hard duty being one of Joseph P. Kennedy’s four sons. The competition, according to Teddy’s memoir, was not part of a paternal plan to develop a son into a president, but only a way of preparing them all to excel in “public service.”

^^^ pretty important part of making what is an unusual situation work. kennedys are total outliers in this regard.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:06 (thirteen years ago) link

taking into account their privileged starting position, it's not hugely onerous either imo.like four sons of a well respected farmer jockeying to become a local councillor or w/e

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:23 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, kennedy bros took turns by age and had a boss.

caek, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

sounds like a man utd night out

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

BOOM

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Looks like the tactic of pulling Warsi out of Question Time and shunting Grant Shapps on in her place backfired, then.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

w'happen

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Just dreadful bollocks the whole way through, nothing stand out.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

that's probably an improvement on lady w and the likelihood of her saying something blogworthily dreadful

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

nominations accepted for a morbish nickname for her ......

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

actually i don't think any uk pol has a morbsname yet? get to work ppl

The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Hospitals - Encouraged to move outside the NHS to become "vibrant" industry of social enterprises

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice one, Liberals

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link

The BMA also took issue with the "obsession" with competition, saying GPs would be set against hospitals - one of the objectives of the changes is to get more care done more cheaply outside hospitals.

No shit. I've no idea how "competition" is supposed to work in the NHS, or "choice" for that matter. I want my local hospital in Lewisham to be as good as possible if I need an operation, I don't want to "choose" to go to Enfield for it.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I blame Blair and Patricia Hewitt in particular for totally buying into all this bullshit, it seemed screamingly obvious it would enable the Tories to sell the NHS off piece by piece as soon as they got back in.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 09:24 (thirteen years ago) link

one of the objectives of the changes is to get more care done more cheaply outside hospitals.

.. bus drivers to supervise baby deliveries

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2010 10:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Operations to be carried out in the car park

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey Mark - it's the story near the end - http://hackneypodcast.co.uk/2010/02/edition-17-buses/

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 October 2010 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link


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