starving yourself for 2 weeks doesn't seem healthy.
― Jordan, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't diet healthy, i diet fast
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link
sur i know this goes to another thread but maybe your dieting has something to do with blaxxing out (also dehydration from teh heat)
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
lol i know. i learned that lesson
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't know is it insensitive to talk about things like this? i mean should i not talk about dieting around people who aren't into that kind of thing? i don't get it
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
just the whole concept of "dieting" seems so old fashioned, isn't it better just to eat healthy (without starving your body) all the time?
― Jordan, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:51 (sixteen years ago) link
yes, most people don't want to hear about that shit.
because?
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
so i took the advice of this thread, and i have relost about five pounds. also, my shoulders are getting big.
― remy bean, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
everyone loses weight their own way.
ohh good!
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link
people talk about a lot of shit i don't want to hear about but they should still be able to talk about it without any grief
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
well ... if somebody's health at stake for the sake of their vanity, there's a reasonable objection to be made for providing hard truths.
theoretically.
― remy bean, Monday, 9 June 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess i'm just on the fence when it comes to the responsibility of being sensitive discussing issues of weight around certain people. i mean, i have to hear about allll the pork chops pizza and chips. i kinda feel like, i'm gonna talk about my fucking strawberries.
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
because it seems vain and a lot of people are self-conscious about their weight?
xp
― Jordan, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link
it's more fun to talk about eating good food than not eating good food.
― Jordan, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Hearing about other ppls diets can be k-boring. I mean I'm not saying always boring--I read this thread, right?--but maybe yr friend is just like "OK can we talk about something else already?"
― quincie, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i.e. "ME"
i guess so Jordan, i guess you're right. no, really i haven't been talking her ear off about it. she just all sensitive cuz she has issues with her weight and can't lose it that way.
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link
wow i just got upset
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link
I get a bit annoyed when people tell me about their clearly incredibly unhealthy dieting habits, because I can't even tell whether they're looking for praise, envy, or concern, but sometimes it's obviously some kind of competitive ego-padding or attention-seeking. Like if I'm eating a sandwich for lunch, and the other person says "If I skip breakfast and lunch for another week, do you think I'll look less fat, or should I skip dinners too?" That just seems manipulative, like the person is trying to make me get really worried about them, or feel guilty that I'm not skipping meals, or something. I think there are insensitive ways to talk about it.
― Maria, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link
ok see this is the thing. i guess i get that? but whenever i talk about, i talk about because it's just a big part of my life. eating is a big part of our lives. and i'm just a very open person. so. there ya go.
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
"If I skip breakfast and lunch for another week, do you think I'll look less fat, or should I skip dinners too?"
but this is clearly obnoxious
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link
It is! But I think some people just have seriously different (IMO, screwed up) views of what is normal and acceptable, and don't realize how weird their ideas are. There's also an element of self-centeredness that actually blinds them from realizing that you clearly think eating sandwiches is normal and acceptable, or else they wouldn't say it (at least I hope it's self-centeredness, and not being perfectly conscious of you and just trying to show off).
― Maria, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Which is not to say that you do sound or think like that. But anorexic friends make you think about anorexic psychology, and, well, that's what it looks like and why it's good to avoid!
― Maria, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link
(PS I'm talking "literally anorexic" here, not just being snide. But I think it's a slippery slope among girls of a certain age.)
― Maria, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link
yea i hear ya
― Surmounter, Monday, 9 June 2008 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link
and a certain type of guys too, maria
― remy bean, Monday, 9 June 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i have witnessed visible abs today, on me b/c of all the biking but also b/c i stopped eating the things that are difficult for me to digest plus stopped the booze but esp beer ;_; but also :) b/c my digestive system has not caused me pain in days and days yaay! and i have lost 5+ lbs, i don't know, i don't have a scale, i just go by how clothes fit and clothes are getting loose
also despite my skepticism i've been doing 'em0tional freed0m technique' thing b/c my naturopath (who is also healthily skeptical of many things) did it with me re: insatiable desire for sugar and it totally worked. or something worked. whatever the case, i used it for desire for beer in social situations where everyone is drinking beer and it worked for that, which kinda blew my mind. so hey. ultimately i'd rather feel and look healthy and happy than have these overwhelming desires to eat/drink the things i obv have a difficult time with physically & mentally/emotionally.
also it is going to be a hot summer and i want to go swimming a lot and wear bikinis aw yeah
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
what is this technique, robyn? i need to stop having cravings for ramen. it is killing my otherwise relatively healthy diet. i just want ramen ALL THE TIME!
i have never worn a bikini and doubt i ever will. boo, they don't really sell many cute and less revealing suits...
― Maria, Monday, 9 June 2008 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
lol: www.emofree dot com
― Jordan, Monday, 9 June 2008 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah rrobyn what is yr emotional freedom thingum? and how does one apply this technique? genuinely curious
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
b/c i have an unhealthy relationship with cheese
i totally loled A LOT at "emofree.com" when i first saw it omg
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:01 (sixteen years ago) link
the official site kinda seems a bit snake-oily, tbh
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:02 (sixteen years ago) link
on that site tho there is a downloadable (for frees) pdf that explains the whole thing - i don't know what else they're saying/shilling on the site b/c i didn't read it - i'm just going on what my naturopath and a friend of my mom's (who does natural healing things and is awesome) said. it's sort of a combination of chinese medicine and like i don't know 'personal power'/affirmations/mantras? anyway it does sound a bit crazy b/c it involved tapping these meridian points and repeating the same phrase each time you tap these points. i also include the point at the top of the head, which i don't think they do in the pdf manual. if you really want to change a habit/addiction that you think is causing you problems, then i think it should work. but as with, say, smoking, if someone doesn't really want to give it up, if it's, like, a part of their identity they can't live without, then i'm guessing this technique will be rough going, tho it might have an effect after a while.
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost yeah kinda snake-oily for sure but i think that the fact that they're giving you the manual for free says something - and it's not vague or anything, like it actually tells you what to do and you don't need to buy anything to do it. p.s. you will feel like a total dork the first time you do it
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
p.s. i believe in energy meridians
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link
surprising to no one
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link
rrobyn, no matter what my opinions are about the specific technique, i think it's fantastic that you've found something that feels good & has tangible results for you. and belief is probably 9/10th of the reason for its success!
i could stand to believe in a few more things, i think
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:13 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i think i prob believe in my own abilities to stay healthy and not put myself in pain more than i believe in this specific technique, but i also believe in my yknow connection to the universe and everyone/everything in it. also i just don't have time to feel like crap or feel not-myself, i realized, so changes are being made.
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
eft sounds a bit like the NLP "anchoring" bit, which is about using verbal and physical cues to recall positive "resourceful" states of mind -- so if there's multiple techniques for mapping the same sort of biofeedback response, it at least makes me think there must be some valid basis for it
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i think it's all connected - one of the reasons i tried it is b/c of the meridians/chinese-medicine/etc connection - i think a lot of these things are just different language and methodology about the same thing, some out to make $ and/or fame, some not, same old story
― rrrobyn, Monday, 9 June 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
My Chinese therapist did emofree on me for a PHYSICAL complaint. Did fuck-all, but he kept insisting and pushing it until I stopped seeing him. I imagine for a craving it would be effective though.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm really not into love handles. i mean i like them on some guys, it's like cute (ok on some guys it's really cute!), but not on me.
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link
You could drag a Kenworth with my love handles atm.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link
yes we believe you
― electricsound, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link
I have to gain loads of body fat. Thinking of wearing baggy tops for a while.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 02:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Back down to 228. Need to bike more.
― kingfish, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link
somehow i lost almost ten pounds in the past few weeks eating pastrami sandwiches and relaxing in the pool
― roxymuzak, Sunday, 6 July 2008 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm gonna lose weight cuz I feel like a 7 when I could be an 8 or 9 (for every 25 pounds lighter). That confidence boost would do wonders on my sex drive.
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 7 July 2008 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link