The Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy: Classic Or Dud?

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Oh yeah, and news reporting on film ended around 1985/6. And let's not forget the classic Monty Python joke on this subject:

"Gentlemen! This room is surrounded by film!"

Croooooow, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well of course I thought they were classic when I was young, obsessive and their target audience - helped hugely by my sister's comment that they were too old for me, which promted me to read all three (as they were then) within a week (a serious feat for me).

When I was a fresher at college and the fifth book was coming out, I outed this long dormant fandom as part of a scattershot 'thing's we have in common' technique, and I was cringing about it within hours. So I suppose I assumed that if I ever retunred to it since then I would find it to be not only a dud, but a humiliating critique on my pre to early teen years.

So last night I watched it with this loaded prejudice. But it was good, I think, looking past the dated production values grafted onto another medium.

'The ships hung in the air in exactly the way that bricks don't.'

If it has a stigma, its our own fault. If we hadn't liked it so much, Adams may have spread his wings a little further in twenty five years.

He's Not Here, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thinking at last, after many years, about this (TV) programme...

1. CONCEPT vs EXCECUTION. I mean, the Idea and the ideas are very good indeed - and the way they're actually delivered is not. I DON'T just mean 'bad effects' (often reminiscent of old Dr Who) - I mean Very Bad Acting. Can't recall when I last heard so many awful American accents on TV. And we say acting's got worse?

2. ORIGINALITY: seems greater now than first time around. When I was a child everything seemed to have been done: now I'm grateful for a smidgen of difference, or something. It feels like it was genuinely original and unusual - though also

3. PARODY - of Dr Who / Blakes'7 / other BBC? - but also Star Wars (occasionally overtly) and other things like documentaries, Open University. But beyond that,

4. MELANCHOLY. We watch things like this as adults and cope with them no problem. But when I was a child, programmes like this *mattered* - I took them very seriously, 'misread' the tone, got the music stuck in my head, thought about the end of the world. One day cultural study (or ILM?) ought to talk seriously about How Children Perceive Adult (or even Children's) Culture - which is (in my dim memory, at least) not much to do with simplicity and silliness, much more to do with profound emotions, sadness, fear, hope, love; feeling everything more seriously and intensely. (See also: The Young Ones. !)

5. SOUNDTRACK: so *that's* who this 'Paddy Kingsland' character is...

6. PARANOID ANDROID: it was nice to be reminded what the phrase really means. But then it struck me, that Radiohead must have picked it up as a joke on their own 'depressiveness' - ? The first 'person' I ever heard talk about 'depression'?

7. COMPUTER / HH GUIDE itself - magic of Peter Jones / good graphics / presentation - tremendous wit. A sense of contingency and of leads not followed - a universe of details we don't need to know more about. Proto-internet factor? Nearly forgot -

8. 'ANTHROPOMORPHISM' - I mean, the big joke is frequently a projection of the Human onto the non-Human (Space), so space has bypasses, restaurants, etc. So the world has ended (see MELANCHOLY), yet 'our world' goes on for ever in all directions. And we find that both cheering and saddening; like this programme.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic I think, though it's been a while. Never seen the TV show I'm afraid, and keep forgetting to watch it at the moment. Perhaps now is the time to start. Is it still going on?

Ally C, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

only know the books (and i don't think i read mostly harmless - i'm pretty sure i didn't), which were so classic i couldn't believe someone asked this question.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

3. PARODY - of Dr Who / Blakes'7 / other BBC?

indeed, he had written for doctor who previously. douglas adam's city of death is my favourite tom baker story, featuring a monster with a face like a bowl of pasta, and a plot that was later recycled for one of the dirk gently books.

kevan, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The unmade Doctor Who story "Shada" was also recylced into the Dirk Gently books. In fact, the first one is pretty much "City of Death" with bits of "Shada" stuck onto it.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First three books and radio programme = classic on toast. Everything else = good, but not wonderful.

Pinefox is bang on about the execution of the TV series. I thought some of the acting was shocking on last nights episodes, and the directing wasn't that great either. Too many shots of several people standing around failing to react to what someone else had said. Does anyone know to what extent the radio scripts were recycled for the TV? If they were carried over near verbatim it might go some way to explaining the clunkiness of the telly version; stuff written for one medium (pretty obviously) doesn't necessarily play that well in the other.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Really loved the first three books as a kid. The TV series inspired me to wear an argyle sweater like Ford's. Fourth book was kinda ehh, kinda romantic, nice, but dull. Never read the fifth one; I was looking forward to another Dirk Gently book, the second one ending on a cliffhanger, so I resent Mostly Harmless on principle for preventing Dirk #3 from materializing!

Chris, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Had to go back and check to make sure nobody had mentioned this already-- I thought I heard lately that some horrible (American) (maybe even *Disney*) version of Hitchhiker's Guide is scheduled to be made/come out in theaters soon. Anyone else know about this? (Of course, this is the kind of thing that can be searched easily on the net, but I don't have time, having to go work now, and also...I don't have the heart to have this fiendish story corroborated right now.)

Chris, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

apologies if this is incorrect, but i seem to remember that the film rights to hitchhikers were a long running saga in themselves. douglas adams sold the rights, which were then sat upon for years, until eventually he said "i've had enough of this" and set about buying the rights back again. whether or not he succeeded i do know. if there is a film in production its a shame that he never lived to see it.

kevan, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Richard: The radio, from what i can remember, is pretty similar for the 6 eps that make up the tv show, with the first 4 becoming HHGTTG (the book) and 5&6(ish) becoming Restaurant. The second radio series bears virtually NO resembalence to the other two books and gets a bit, ahem, wacky towards the end, although apparently he was writing the last eps virtually as they were performing them.

Also it must not be forgotten that Douglas should be regarded as an icon for ILEers due to him being officially THE KING OF PROCRASTINATION! Not done any work this morning? So what! Douglas used to skive for YEARS at a time!!!

carsmilesteve, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

As far as I know the film was in the middle of being written/made with Jay "Austin Powers" Roach. Then Douglas Adams died 2 months ago or so, while in a gym in Santa Barbara. Who knows what's happening now. Sorry if it sounds callous, but I hope to God he wrote enough of the script himself before he died, because we don't want Mike Myers (or whoever) re-doing it now do we?

Sam, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, but god knows there's much worse than Mike Meyers trolling around Hollywood.

Chris, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mike Myers = a million times funnier than Douglas Adams. You are all crazed.

mark s, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It really depends on which Mike Myers shows up. Mike Myers as father from "So I Married An Axe Murderer": hysterical. Mike Myers as Fat Bastard from "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me": fucking awful, with the sole exception of the line, "Feelin' frisky, are we??????"

Dan Perry, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sinker, YA soooooo W about this and ... on crack >> DG wrt comedy

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 2 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I beg your pardon?

DG, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eight months pass...
Just finished #5 today. I started the books first but barely got past the first page of #1 till I heard the radio series. I've got the CD version: 2 packs, 3 Discs per pack. Here's what I think:

BOOKS : Classic (Though I only remembered some of the best parts by readin the other reviews)

Radio Series (1): A lot like the book but funnier because my imagination can't do accents that well.

Radio Series (2): Definetly worse and more confusing,maybe even too confusing with Lentila and Alitnel, though that was one of the good bits.

Matthew Pluzhnikov, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ten months pass...
The second radio series is being repeated on BBC7 this week at 6pm GMT.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why didn't I answer this thread? Oh wait, I was on vacation at the time, that's right...

Anyway, classic, got the radio series on CD, need to get the 'eh okay' TV show on DVD, love the books...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

haven't read it in years,but i used to love them,so i assume still classic
i'm always disappointed when i read a reference to how much adams loved pink floyd though

robin (robin), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dunno, that bit in the radio series where Marvin is playing "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" actually worked perfectly in a musical mood-setting way.

Dan must agree with me on this -- couldn't you see somebody sampling the bit where the Dolmansaxlil Footwarrior says this in response to a query from Arthur Dent:

"PERVERTS! SUBVERSIVES! ALL PERVERTS, SUBVERSIVES AND TRESPASSERS ARE TO BE SHOT!"

...and then creating a perfect bit of 1991-era industrial rave a la Lords of Acid (though you'd have to cut off the 'shot' part for maximum perv impact).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

listened to it the radio version for a while and it just seemed smug. like George Carlin or something.

didn't start from the beginning however, so I'll give it another shot.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with Ned. I MUST agree with Ned. Mmmm, agreeing with Ned.

BRAINS!!!!!!!

Zombie Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Especially with the harsh distorted vocals from said footwarrior. It's perfect! You could make it even funnier/more entertaining with Dent's querelous question that provokes the response: "What do you mean, perverts?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sheesh, didn't see this thread the first time around... For me, I heart the first three Hitchhikers books as much as Ned hearts Tolkien.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah but So Long is the best of all! It's the perfect geek love story.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aside from the bits that rip off Lem, THHGTTG is killer.

Dave Fischer, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

First three books: great. Still don't know if I got the whole joke in places, but moments can still reduce me to a giggling mess. My old man was an Arsenal supporter so that pub scene with Arthur and the barman has a special relevance. I break into my Marvin impersonation to 'send up' my children when they're having a moan about something. Marvin was actually the 'star' of the TV series for a while. Also still can't look at a green capsicum without thinking of the Vogon guard. Zaphod and wet=as-a-haddock Arthur eventually got right on my nerves.
So Long and Thanks: He'd lost the edge and shouldn't have bothered.

Karen, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Somewhere around the depths of my hard drive is the sequel to Mostly Harmless I wrote when I was fourteen*, but I now PH34R to look at it.

*And yes I know that in Mostly Harmless all the characters and everything they stand for are wiped out with utter and absolute finality, but I managed to get around that one somehow.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also quite sad to note that he was still alive when this thread was started...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

what about the *record* which, if i remember correctly, was different to the radio version, or am i on crack? i have never heard it myself but seem to recall it being referenced in a book (possibly called "the hitchhikers guide to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy" or similar).

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

The book Don't Panic - the Guide to the Hitch-hikers Guide written by none other than a fanboyish Neil Gaiman (GOTH ALERT)

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

includes a recent entry on Big Star

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 12:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like these books well enough, but anyone who enjoys him and hasn't sampled Robert Sheckley really should give this older SF comedy writer a try.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud. The first one was kinda good, the second one mediocre, the third unfinishable. For more occasionally decent ideas driven mercilessly into the ground again and again, see Piers Anthony.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
small headsup : third series starts tonight on radio 4, 6.30.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/newseries.shtml

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

woohoo!

i assume this will be listen again able for the rest of the week also.

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes and also repeated on Thursdays at 11pm I think. Looking forward to it!

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I know I'm going to forget this is on, and kick myself..

hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I've already asked both my parents to tape it for me.

(don't normally get home until about 6.45)

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

s'ok ian there are both repeats and listen again options! gawd bless the munificence of auntie beeb ;)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I had completely missed hearing about this! Should be a treat.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the film news:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371724/

Peter Watts (peterw), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

WARWICK DAVIS

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Loved the books from the start, especially the first three. Total Classic. Still are.

Sometime in the mid-80s, I think, a friend got me a many-times-dubbed copy of the BBC radio version on cassette. The quality was wretched, but I listened to it so many times I literally wore it out, laughing every time. Now I wish I had a copy for my teen-age daughter to hear, since she's discovered the books within the past two years and fallen in love.

Saw the BBC TV version once on PBS several years ago, but I don't really have much memory of it, as it was during a difficult time for me.

Anyway, total CLASSIC vote here. All hail the late Douglas Adams. And 42!

Hey Jude, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"mos def - ford prefect"

???????????

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey that was good. the radio version has always been my favourite anyway and theyappea to havedon it justice on initial evidence.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

MALKOVICH

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The soundtrack should be "Jezebel" on eternal loop.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

i've not read, heard or seen this. however, i did catch the last 10 seconds of the movie trailer this weekend. please explain teh premis and cry over the release of the sure to be unworthy film now.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The "preview" I saw didn't actually have any footage from the movie in it: LAME.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"Jezebel" should be the soundtrack to EVERY movie, starting with "Fat Albert".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

you really ought to read it, emily. the first book in the trilogy is really, really good. and the 2nd and third aren't too shabby either. i don't think i bothered to read the last one. also, the salmon of doubt is a good collection of Douglas's other writing.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

more info please. if someone can quickly summarize the basic plot, sans spoilers, i would really appreciate it.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"plot" is not the point

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

ok. then tell me about the characters or setting.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

earth destroyed by intergalactic bulldozer making room for intergalactic super highway. hilarity ensues.

characters: british, robot and alien
setting: space

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Gabbneb OTM.

The basic plot: A man wakes up one morning and finds himself thrust into an intergalactic cosmic headfuck farce that starts with the destruction of the world and then proceeds to get weird.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

From memory from a long time ago, but a dude (Arthur Dent) is saved from the Earth, which is being detonated by aliens to make way for a highway, by his friend, who he is unaware is an alien. They galivant around the universe having adventures. There's a depressed robot involved somehow.
xpost, now useless, but posting anyways because such is the internet.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks. is the humor monty python-esque or no?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

don't give it all away!

the story also involves bad poetry, tea and an extremely cool dude with two headaches

the humor is not particularly monty python-esque, but not totally unrelated

just read it

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It was really funny when I was 13, I wonder if it would hold up?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

It holds up. I should know.

Emily -- the time it will take you to read all the books will be enough to see you through the birth of yer wee one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, i will read it as soon as i find a copy. what is the first book in the series?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to read it again

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 January 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

tricky title. good thing i asked.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 3 January 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I just read above a lot of people thought the TV show was cheesy, but I think it's fantastic, and that the cheese even adds to the effect. My dad rented it when i was 10 or so and I remember being mostly interested in the graphic effects. I found a copy of the series in a thrift shop a few months ago and they seem even more amazing to me now. Viva La Vectors!

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Monday, 3 January 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I LOVE the actual guide entry effects, that's great animation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 January 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I could've sworn that I mentioned this on another thread, but just to mention - back in June I saw that they were filming at the huge Masonic Temple in Covent Garden. All the equipment trucks were a giveaway - the permits were for "Mostly Harmless Productions". I didn't see much except for someone in a strange green robe at the doorway.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 3 January 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Was a huge huge fan in junior/high school. The last time I read the guide was like November 3 or 4, post-election depression, looking for comfort reading. It didn't hold up but then perhaps nothing would have gotten me out of my funk. :(

teeny (teeny), Monday, 3 January 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7619828.stm

Children's author Eoin Colfer has been commissioned to write a sixth instalment of the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy series.

Mostly Harmless, the last Hitchhiker book, was written by its creator, the late Douglas Adams, 16 years ago.

Now Adams's widow, Jane Belson, has given her approval to bring back the hapless Arthur Dent in a new book entitled And Another Thing...

Eoin Colfer, 43, is best known for the best-selling Artemis Fowl novels.

the usual olfactory abuse (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link

"My first reaction was semi-outrage that anyone should be allowed to tamper with this incredible series," he said.

"But on reflection I realised that this is a wonderful opportunity to work with characters I have loved since childhood and give them something of my own voice while holding on to the spirit of Douglas Adams."

Clearly I am also at first reaction stage.

the usual olfactory abuse (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 08:11 (fifteen years ago) link

what

no

Assault! Assault! (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:06 (fifteen years ago) link

> Now Adams's widow, Jane Belson, has given her approval to bring back the hapless Arthur Dent in a new book entitled And Another Thing...

she also said, according to radio4 this mornig, that she thought dna would hate the idea.

(pat nevin was great immediately afterwards though, comparing ronaldo to zaphod)

koogs, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Mice: Now, to business!
Humans: TO BUSINESS!!!
Mice: What are you doing??
Zaphod: Oh sorry, we thought you were proposing a toast.

moley, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

RIP to Stephen Moore aka Marvin the Paranoid Android. Forever indelible (and as I muttered on another HHG thread a couple of months back, the audiobook recordings he did are kinda definitive in my mind).

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link


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