Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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Lynch is a stern, unbending right-wing Republican through and through; he's never made any secret of that.

I've never seen him get anywhere that specific; where have you?

Shakey, so he puts in all the weird sexing into his work as a caution?? He seems to like it way too much.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll be getting the S2 DVDs, but if anyone here has DirecTV and isn't sure about TP, there's a new channel called ChillerTV that's rerunning the series.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

So I was all excited for the S2 DVDs to come out because I thought, Ooh I can watch the series all over again. But now I'm finding that S1 is no longer available on DVD (at least through Netflix)? What the screw? I seem to remember watching it when it first came out a few years ago at a friend's house -- why can't I rent it anymore?

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey, so he puts in all the weird sexing into his work as a caution?? He seems to like it way too much.

oh I agree - why else would every single film (except maybe the Elephant Man?) contain at least one scene wherein hot chicks make out with each other. He likes to explore that tension/connection between temptation and suffering. He would be a way more boring filmmmaker if he was just some predictably stern moralist - its to his credit that he's not a finger-wagger and more of an interested investigator. That being said, he does rely on the common narrative trope of sex/sensuality inevitably leading to punishment and suffering - a theme that other, more conservative (and Christian) folks like to harp on.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I have the S1 DVDs, they are a great package... now all I need is the fucking pilot episode.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I like season 2, lots of joeks. I'm excited to get the dvds since I first saw it on decaying, barely-watchable VHS.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

season 2 has some great stuff and also some incredibly bad stuff (James/rich widow/car mechanic subplot = wtf?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that subplot goes absolutely nowhere.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh James. hate hate hate.

― horseshoe, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

dudes UK SEASON ONE HAS REMASTERED PILOT

― 69, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yes but I cannot play stupid UK DVDs. The pilot is unavailable on DVD in the US, it has never been released.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I think its cuz the pilot rights are held by a different company...? And also the US and European versions of the pilot are dramatically different.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't the tack-on ending the only difference? If you're watching the whole series, you just need to turn off the pilot ten min before the end.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh that's the central difference - but considering the tacked on ending involves revealing the killer/Cooper meeting Bob, I think its a pretty dramatic difference.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

(I think the ending also includes some scene of Lucy and Andy at home, which is also missing from the US version...?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah he's practicing his trumpet or something. I still have the VHS of that, but no VCR. :(

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my many favorite things about Season Two = the song that James / Donna / Maddy practice and record.

― nabisco, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my many favorite things about Season Two = the song that James / Donna / Maddy practice and record.

just yoooouuuuuuuu.... and Iiiiiiyiiiii.... hahahaha oh man sometimes I annoy my wife by singing this song. Watching James try to pretend like that incredibly thin girlish voice is actually coming out of his body = teh funnies.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

he's got a natural slap-back echo, that James

― sexyDancer, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"The pilot is unavailable on DVD in the US, it has never been released."

THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is available as a region-free grey-area-legal DVD that was all over amazon up until a little while ago, for cheap. I had one. It was fine although not the best DVD ever made (I think it was sped up very, very slightly). Now it'll cost you around $40 (which is what I just sold mine for).

― akm, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I meant it had never been officially released. I don't want a $40 bootleg of it.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I've heard rumblings of a complete series + pilot DVD set coming out at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being the only way you can officially get it, because that's how they fuck you.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

true. or you can just get the import box from the UK; you can sell your US box for enough money to cover the cost of that (unless your dvd player isn't convertable to all region, but you should have one of those too! they are cheap!)

― akm, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Mine is, supposedly. I might do that. I just sent off for the cheap Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends box set from Amazon.co.uk to test it out.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic: Kyle McLachlan's finest work.

― Hard like armour, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, classic. David Duchovny's finest work.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Billy Zane's finest ... well ... Billy Zane is in it!

― HPSCHD, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, and let's not forget Van Dyke Parks.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 05:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Just You" scares me.

― clotpoll, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I sent for the S2 set tonight, threw in the box set of the early Marx Brothers movies as well. That's gonna be a fun week.

― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched the "japanese" DVD version of the pilot last night and it doesn't have the tack-on ending, nor any real color or sound definition. *eh*

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

oooh S2 just arrived.

it is happening again.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i have the (i think actually) korean version - its washed out, but wvs - i forgot about the alt-ending in UK, eff that.

― 69, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

What is the alternate ending? Go ahead and spoil me, I want you to.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Unless it is one of those wicked good Pete Martel lines like "rainbow trout took a likin' to my percolator", if so I want to be surprised.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The European version is 20 minutes longer than the TV pilot with a different ending added to bring closure to the story. Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Andy find BOB, who admits to Laura's murder, and then is shot by Mike, the one-armed man. The Red Room dream sequence that ends episode 3, where Cooper encounters the Little Man From Another Place and Laura Palmer, was originally shot for this film. Lynch was so happy with the material that he incorporated part of it into the second episode of the regular series (that is, the third episode shown in the U.S. including the pilot) as a dream Cooper has about the case.

― 69, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh the different ending basically renders the rest of the series "murder mystery" plot redundant/unnecessary.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

obviously I would prefer to have a proper DVD release of the US version.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Now, for those who have seen the series, but not the
"European" version of the pilot, here is a short description
of the added scenes:

- Sarah remembers seeing BOB crouching at the foot of
Laura's bed that morning. She screams and tells Leland what
she remembered.

- There is a scene of Lucy and Andy getting ready for bed
(!). Leland calls Lucy, tells her about Sarah's sudden
memory, and asks her where the Sheriff is. Lucy calls the
Sheriff in his cruiser. He tells her to have Hawk meet him
at the Palmer's house to make a sketch of the man Sarah
remembered.

- Agent Cooper, asleep in his hotel room, is awakened by the
phone. Mike, the one-armed man, is on the other end, and
tells Cooper that the man who killed Laura is at the
hospital. Then Lucy calls Cooper and tells him what is
happening at the Palmer house. Cooper asks Lucy to tell the
Sheriff to bring the sketch and meet him at the hospital.

- Cooper and the Sheriff find Mike at the hospital. Mike
recites the poem and his confession (from Cooper's dream in
episode #2). Cooper asks Mike to identify the killer from
the sketch. He does and tells them BOB is in the basement
of the hospital.

- They find BOB kneeling next to a circle of 12 burning
candles. He invites them in, asks if Mike is with them,
repeats some of the dialogue from Cooper's dream in episode
2, including "Catch you with my death bag".

- The Sheriff asks BOB what the letters were going to spell,
and BOB replies:

BOB: Robert. That's my proper name. Theresa's was with a
T.
Cooper: That's right.
BOB: You may think I've gone insane, but I promise you: I
will kill again!
Mike runs into room and yells: Like hell!

- Mike shoots BOB twice. BOB crumples to the floor. Mike
falls to the floor in agony.

- Cooper says "Make a wish" and the candles are blown out.

- Cut to the Red Room. Caption says: Twenty-five year later

- Rest of scene is identical to Red Room scene of Cooper's
dream in episode 2. As the Little Man dances, the end
credits run.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if there were any people who actually saw only this separate "film" made of the pilot episode, and what they thought of it.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

the UK box version of the pilot doesn't have the tacked on alternate ending, AFAIK.

― akm, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is available as a region-free grey-area-legal DVD that was all over amazon up until a little while ago, for cheap. I had one. It was fine although not the best DVD ever made (I think it was sped up very, very slightly).

I have it; it's in what my friends not-so-affectionately call "flange-o-vision," since there is an audible wave encoding artifact that can be heard for the entire episode. "She'S DEad . . . WRAppED in plasTIC!" Pretty annoying, but whaddya gonna do?

― J, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, every time there's a music swell or drum track, it's like Electric Fucking Ladyland.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently there's a rumor of a complete US box by year end. No idea.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched the European version of the pilot, and despite the initial confusion of the ending, really enjoyed it for its Gothy creepiness. I can't imagine how it could render the rest of the series unnecessary, unless you lack imagination; the two different resolutions to the murder plot are essentially different animals that exist in different diegetic worlds, like one of those old Marvel "What if...?" stories.

― Leee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

awareness of massive plot inconsistencies/contradictions = "you lack imagination"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like saying Citizen Kane is unecessary if you know "Rosebud" is Marion Davies’s clitoris.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do you have to grant them equal diegetic weight? One is canonical re: the rest of the series, and the other isn't canon but is still a great piece of film/tv-making.

― Leee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Cultural conditioning toward Aristotlian logic???

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, they had season 2 in the supermarket over here. I'm going to rewatch everything now - can someone remind me what the correct order is?

Season 1
Season 2
Fire Walk With Me movie?

(or is the movie somewhere halfway like with the Xfiles movie? (that's Season 1-5, movie, Season 6-9) )

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

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