WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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the construction was very conspiratorial, like he expected the audience to agree with him.
That's a good point.

stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

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anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

See, he could have parlayed the heckle into an unfunny racial stereotype joke like "Black people be talking in theaters!" and it would have gone over to riotous laughter.

elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

But, that doesn't stop him from making chicken jokes while he watches a video of James Brown sweating his ass off.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Who the fuck is arguing it isn't?

Nobody explicitly, but the general tone of the thread implied it.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

5. since the heckler was black, "omg, it's a big racial crime against me, kramer, you can make fun of me, but YOU'RE A NIGGER, i can't say that even if i wanted to! see??" richards MADE the situation racially charged by seeing the exchange racially and reacting like he'd been victimized racially, somehow. the black heckler didn't make it so by being black, or by heckling.

OTM.

M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys, stet views all references to history and/or reality as quaint Americanisms.

i.e. context only matters wrt what the black dudes in the audience said, not, you know, America 1600-2006.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

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anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth are you so interested in defending a dude who screams out about lynching and repeats the word "nigger" over and over again on stage, causing the entire audience to walk out? Again, I'm going to ask you: please explain to me what in the world some heckler said that would make that kind of tirade understandible? This is what I'm not getting. Some of the points you or jaymc have made might be good in a totally different discussion, not in one which you have a comedian known to be a complete asshole losing his marbles on stage and screaming racial epithets at the crowd.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The history of race relations in America makes cracker not nearly as powerful as nigger.

I guess that's why everybody calls each other nigga as a term of endearment and nobody calls each other cracker.

Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

calling someone a cracker is just salty talk.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.alabama-florida-league.com/nafl_-_special_collections_-_murphy/Bob%20Murphy%20Atlanta%20Crackers%201942%20edited.jpg


ppl seriously need to stop acting like 'cracker' is a deeply offensive, hurtful term. they also need to stop acting like 'the abuses of political correctness' are far worse than centuries of slavery, lynching, rape and institutionalized bigotry, that the white man's suffered as much as the black man now cuz he has to be more creative about how he hates. also seriously seriously seriously folx: stop responding to racist trolls like nude spock, stet. and seriously seriously jaymc: stop doing nude spock's spin doctor work.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

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roc u like a ยง (ex machina), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

some ilxor is gonna get mad rich one day writing a book on the pathology of longtime message board users

parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

people call each other crackers all the freaking time.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus, the way I've heard "cracker" used usually refers to racist white people - it's a word of scorn for a subset of white people - turning racism on the racists.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

and ppl call each other crackers all the time. maybe not in dry cleaning joints in new jersey.

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's so freaking common I've in fact never heard it in NYC.

Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Blount, don't align me with Nude Spock -- we're saying completely different things.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

jaymc: characterizing a situation is not the same as upholding a binary opposition! I know you must understand this, because you've described things before.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

blount you ever seen the crackers HISTORICAL SITE plaque behind the whole foods on ponce??? for real, its like under a magnolia tree next to a loading dock - i only found it while dumpster diving!!

anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

People call each other cracker all the time? I'm old and out of it.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I am going to start tearing my hair out. fucking high-speed internet connection.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

some ilxor is gonna get mad rich one day writing a book on the pathology of longtime message board users

That's like expecting Gilligan to some day make it off the island.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

ts: the white guy voice eddie murphy did in standup vs. birth of a nation vs. protocols of the elders of zion

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

but I've come to understand that somehow we're able to intuit motivations simply from behavior.

WTF. Now I want to shake you. How else do we intuit motivations? I'm not saying behavior and motivation are always inexorably linked, but are you suggesting that they never are? If someone in a car yells "N*gger!" at a black pedestrian, should we not intuit motivation from that behavior? And if we shouldn't, doesn't that suggest that we as a society should excuse harmful behavior if we aren't sure what motivated it?

horseshoe, you are not taking crazy pills. I have otmmed you about 50 times but there were so many xposts in between that what I was otmming got lost in the shuffle.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years

You've only been in the klan 7 years?

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

OK that's actually pretty funny. That being said, I have A) seen this B) heard a hilarious story about a woman calling two Asian friends of mine "crackers" at a nail salon.

Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker."

?!?!

The stupidity on this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, it matters whose mouth is saying what to whom. White "wiggas" using the word amongst each other is different than blacks using it and most especially different than a white dude using it for a black dude while evoking the history of lynching.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen photos of whites gathered around black male youths hanging from trees but never seen photos of blacks gathered around white male youth hanging from trees. why are blacks so racist???

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The stupidity on this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

Fuckin' cracker.

Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, Jenny. like, how do you get through life if you don't intuit motivations from behavior?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

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Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth are you so interested in defending a dude who screams out about lynching and repeats the word "nigger" over and over again on stage, causing the entire audience to walk out?

I don't want to defend him, I don't even like him. I just don't want to call him a racist without knowing more. He did X, therefore he is Y and all Y are Z. Isn't that the same sort of thinking that led to lynchings in the first place?

The tape makes him look pretty guilty, but when I watched it appeared to me that the reaction was so outlandish something must have provoked it. I don't know what, but I noticed nobody's came up with any plausible motive for his behaviour except that he's a barely constrained dyed-in-the-wool racist who just had to see a black man to be tipped over the edge.

Perhaps that's true, but do you manage to hide it on stage every night for all these years?

stop responding to racist trolls like nude spock, stet
This is what I mean! Christ, if you're not in the majority knee-jerk must-be-racist camp, you are a racist? What?

stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently a friend of mine once got so angry with a redneck who lived nextdoor to her that in the middle of an argument she burst out calling him a coon

parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not saying behavior and motivation are always inexorably linked, but are you suggesting that they never are?

Of course not. I'm just saying I'm bothered by the confidence with which people are ascribing motivation in this scenario.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

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parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Beth OTM.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Dudes, if there are any 'extenuating circumstances' that couuld POSSIBLY acquit Michael Richards I'm sure they'll come out at some point. So far though anyone saying he's not racist is doing some serious reaching.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't want to defend him, I don't even like him. I just don't want to call him a racist without knowing more. He did X, therefore he is Y and all Y are Z. Isn't that the same sort of thinking that led to lynchings in the first place?

WOW

anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Which one is nude spock? Also j blount and deej. as otm as horseshoe and Ally.

How should we ascribe motivation, John? If you can't get it from behavior, where shall we go to determine it?

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen photos of whites gathered around black male youths hanging from trees but never seen photos of blacks gathered around white male youth hanging from trees. why are blacks so racist???

jblount, may I call you zztop? Please explain to me the relevance of yesteryear.

Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

you are a BAD troll! the mind boggles.

parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO LET ALL THIS RIFF RAFF INTO TEH ROOM?

Bob Geldof Saves Africa (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link


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