a 30 for 30 thread

Kings Ransom was not that great but it was pretty good compared to some of the worst episodes. The footage from the era was terrific.

xpost what's wrong with Berg?

Canada should do an all-hockey 30 for 30 series. Would watch.

Would also like a NASCAR 30 for 30 series, and some horseracing stories would be cool.

― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Tuesday, November 9, 2010 11:06 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

Eh nothing, he's made some good movies, just felt like he dropped the ball on that doc.

Would kill to see Ken Burns' NASCAR.

30 for 30 site doesn't list anything beyond the SMU one. Which is so sad!

Also I kinda want to see a meta 30 for 30 on what the hell happened to the Bartman doc, because it vanished.

think i read its still gonna air but in 2011 maybe?

According to Wikipedia there's 3 off the original list that are not yet confirmed:

Steve Bartman: Catching Hell
Charismatic- abt the horsey & the 1989 triple crown
Right to Play: johann olav koss, Olympic speed skater

Would love to see the Bartman doc

god yes, the bartman needs to happen

also smu

jesus god this marcus dupree 1 was a+++++

think i want 2 read the courting of marcus dupree book they showed

bartman still happening, they're keeping this going sorta like they did w/ sportscentury. some of these have been meh but i do like that they each have a distinct voice and that they pretty much cover undercovered sports stories (unlike hbo in both respects)(still love hbo docs but glad this is a different approach).

o man can't wait to see the charismatic one, such a great horse

Here's a local report on the Marcus Dupree doc: http://www.wtok.com/news/headlines/Philadelphia_Leaders_React_to_Marcus_Dupree_Documentary_on_ESPN_107093798.html

"I can't even put it in words. When they came to me about the film, I was all for it," exclaims Dupree.

And many residents and leaders in Philadelphia feel just as proud as Dupree does.

i took the courting of marcus dupree book out from my library -- i thought it was gonna be like a 80 pg expanded magazine article o something, its freaking 450 pages & just from leafing thru it, the writer doesnt meet marcus til page ~175

seventeen bucks on kindle what the fuck

Thomas (Washington, D.C.)
Whatever happened to the Cubs/Bartman 30 for 30? Will it ever air?

Bill Simmons
(3:19 PM)
We moved it out of the series because the director (Alex Gibney, who is brilliant) wanted more time with it. On the one hand, it was a shame because it would have been one of the 3 best docs of the series and possibly No. 1. On the other hand, the fact that he's spending MORE time on something that was already great has us really excited. PS: We're spinning off the "30 for 30" series next year into something that will probably be called "30 for 30 Presents" or something like that... we're going to be putting out 4-5 sports docs per year on the level of the best "30 for 30" docs and getting the best filmmakers to do them. Same creative team is involved. We have some terrific ideas in the hopper. So even though the SMU doc will be the 30th one (right after the Heisman ceremony) don't think the spirit of the series is going away.
Bill Simmons
(3:21 PM)
PS: the first fifteen 30 for 30s are being released in a box set on December 7th. http://www.amazon.com/ESPN-Films-Gift-S ... 1290543621

matt (Denver)
So when will the Bartman documentary be shown? Sometime next year?

Bill Simmons
(3:24 PM)
Next spring. It's outstanding. I can't say enough about it. For the record: it's about the concept of scapegoats in sports more than it's about Bartman.

More! Yay!!!!! <3

good stuff

is fitting as hell the SMU 1 is premiering after cam wins the heisman

lol otm

Finally saw the Marcus Dupree ep. Damn. Just...what all of those self-interested adults did with, or to, this amazing, talented kid...it just tells you so much. If he had just had one good person close enough to him to guide him right...damn. That Rev made me so hopping mad. Not just over the money but that Marcus genuinely trusted him as a friend & he used that trust for his own gain.

But what a cool guy Marcus grew up to be. Just humble & open & good. Glad he could see his story told on such a caring, respectful way. Fuckin top notch.

Sorry, tl:dr as always

naw, I agree in full. That reverend guy was a total asshole. Marcus might not have had as much trouble dealing with Switzer at OU if Mr. Rev hadn't been planting all kinds of shit in his mind.

Totally. It gives a lot more weight to the Reggie Bush & Cam Newton discussions, when you see what forces are at work on a kid that talented. And they're still kids, that's what bothers me about all the money & cars & houses that get bandied about. It's sort of evil to me.

And it made me think about other stuff too, like Ricky Wiliams breakdown, and Vince Young, or ...just that it's so easy for shit to get out of control when you blow up so big so quickly. Hard to say how to stop it, bc sometimes it just happens...but the tragedy in Dupree's story is it might have been avoidable, to some extent.

Looks like they're showing one of these every night in December on ESPN classic in the UK - http://www.espnclassic.com/gb/ecuk/espn-news-updates/espn-news/espn-films-presents-30-for-30

Gibney-Bartman sounds v promising

just saw eric dickerson & craig james talk abt the smu 1, gawd it's gonna be good -- dickerson seemed still defensive abt a trans am his grandmother bought him & they fwded a few good conspiracy angles on y the ncaa gave smu the death penalty

really does make me think they should finance like a 6 hr doc abt the history of the ncaa

would watch

who should play sherwood blount in the live action movie im going 2 write of this

I'm sure most schools were just as dirty as SMU in the 80s, but SMU seemed to have the highest concentration of complete boobs in positions of authority...thus, they're the ones who got caught.

But DAMN. They were low down.

this shit was awesome, also ending on OMG WE WON THE HAWAII BOWL was lol

college football was responsible for all the best 30 for 30s

luv that the ncaa investigator fainted after giving smu the death penalty

Wow. I'm still learning abt colllege sports, and just starting to get into college football: I didnt know anything about this story til now. Craziness! Boosters sure seem like shady dudes. Though tbh all I think of when I see "booster" is Buddy Garrity from Friday Night Lights. And it seems to hold up, lol!

OMG WE WON THE HAWAII BOWL was lol

^this paired w/ mythologizing, low-angle camera shots of JUNE JONES as savior had me dyin

Fab Five, anyone?

we talked a lot about it in the rolling bball thread

p much from here on down they reminisce over yao -- 2010/2011 regular season second half thread

yea this was v good, <3 jalen

Grant Hill is pretty great:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/?ref=sports

i understand the need for a response, but i thought the doc made it very clear that they were describing how they perceived duke and hill at the time--and yeah it was ugly and wrong, but jalen especially was upfront about how it came from his own resentment.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

wow eloquent as hell

haha grant hill talking about how duke players totally aren't uncle toms and lists Tommy Amaker in his defense

That's a pretty serious thing to say. Why, because he coaches Harvard?

it wasnt a serious thing to say, it was a joke

grant hill thing is worth it for the kicker

Fab Five couldnt hold a candle to UNLV for early '90s baddassness.

my god the dupree one was so good, definitely in the top five
the whole thing was worth it for the moment where marcus watches his high school self with this mix of awe and sadness and wonder and confusion and it's all right there on his face.

― Zombie Chekhov's Significant Hacksaw (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:09 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

saw the Dupree one last night...jesus what a talent...yeah that part you mentioned was really heartbreaking but sweet at the same time.

the thing that really got me, that just showed how some of these kids have such a small worldview and are thrown into these high pressure situations..it's like when he finally decides to listen to his mom and friends and ask for something from oklahoma, all he can think to ask for with all that money being thrown around is a double wide trailer in mississippi

really looking forward to the long discussed bartman.
Fab five was good, but without webber felt incomplete. That dude is NEVER gonna talk on this, is he.

well in hindsight it looks like weber might have been smart to stay out of it!

i didn't know they were doing a bartman one! crazy.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/03/chicago-cubs-fan-steve-bartman-catching-hell-again-at-tribeca-festival/1

Cant wait to see the Bartman one.