i want everyone to be more disgusting, not just one guy, the woman who slept with him, and the rednecks
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Having lived in urban Atlanta America for about 35 years, lemme just say that you don't have to go too far to find guys like Merle.
OK so maybe this is all super obvious to all you observational geniuses, but just how long was Rick in the hospital unattended? Like I said, could not have been too long - he'd have died of dehydration. So he was (inexplicably?) in the hospital for a month, more or less unconscious? Or at least so totally out of it the last thing he remembers is Shane bringing him flowers? Which we can presume happened before the outbreak? This is all minor stuff, and inessential to the story, but still sort of sloppy. Esp. given that much of the suspense is (or will be, or should be) driven by running out of food and ammo, that sort of thing, which are both linked to a firm timeline. It takes a lot of cans of beans to feed, what, over a dozen people? Just sayin'. This isn't nit-picking, either. It's a show about survival, but right now it seems like, I dunno, "Red Dawn" or something. "Red Dawn of the Dead?" Shouldn't matter, but we're already halfway through this initial run.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"WOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLVERRRRRRRRRRZOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Red Dawn rules bro
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
AVENGE MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
one of swayze's best roles.
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I love the scene where he screams at everyone not to cry
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Red Dawn of the Dead needs to be a video game
― fwiw: lol iirc sb'd u tbqh (dan m), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Everything this show does is clumsy, it's more like a bad SyFy series than any of the good cable dramas we've gotten used.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
still liking this, but hoping theres more subtlety to shanes character than what is sitting there on the surface - i can certainly see dude making the decision to say "yer husband is totes dead" if he watched the hospital overrun knowing dude was in a coma. in fact it would be kinda cruel not to do so, right? false hopes and all of that. as for the boning, well, crisis makes for strange emotional decisions in the interest of comfort so eh i dont see it as a damning moral error or anything
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't y'all see, though? Rick's wife is female and therefore weak, and needed a man ASAP not just to care for her and her kid in the zombie apocalypse but to give her a little action. I mean, what, it'd been a couple of weeks, right? And he did say her husband was dead and all. Plus, the prospect of everyone you know being torn apart and eaten is a little sexy, isn't it? /sarcasm
this interpretation is more sexist than anything on the show. maybe she was having an affair, and if she did want a little action why would that be weak? people having an affair or being sexually promiscuous is hardly an indictment of their character or a gender specific issue.
seriously can't stand when people overstate their "liberal" case and end up sounding worse than whatever they're criticising.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
still liking this, but hoping theres more subtlety to shanes character than what is sitting there on the surface - i can certainly see dude making the decision to say "yer husband is totes dead" if he watched the hospital overrun knowing dude was in a coma. in fact it would be kinda cruel not to do so, right? false hopes and all of that. as for the boning, well, crisis makes for strange emotional decisions in the interest of comfort so eh i dont see it as a damning moral error or anything― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
Yeah, I can think of a lot of justifiable reasons for telling someone their husband is dead in the middle of a zombie crisis, so there's plenty of room for nuance there if they want to go that route. As for how long Rick was left unattended in the hospital, common sense provides you with an answer - how long can you survive without water? A week to ten days, at most? ~*~*well there you go*~*~
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree, Local Garda.
Who am I to judge whether having sex in the woods while zombies run amuck is a good idea or not? I'm just a big liberal sexist.
Seriously, though, in any other horror film or show or whatever, doing so would be grounds for instant death, mostly for being stupid but also for waving the big red flag of horror movie morality. (In this case, if it keeps to the comic, it's also a set up for an obvious major plot development). And anyway, it'd be one thing if this were a one-off sort of thing, but this thread has already pointed out this show's dubious view of gender equality, perhaps disguised as "characterization," but perhaps not, given its consistency. Frankly, we don't know enough about any of these people to judge fairly, and they did hint that Rick and his wife (what is her name?) did not have the best marriage. I can't remember, but I think TV Shane has already lasted longer than comic book Shane, so who knows what is going on.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
just how long was Rick in the hospital unattended? Like I said, could not have been too long - he'd have died of dehydration.He had an IV in so maybe the RNs hung a coupla bags of normal saline, set the drip rate to run over a few days.
― kate78, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that could be it. IV to the rescue (though beard gauge says it's been about a week).
And by way, my earlier "interpretation" of the wife in the woods was no such thing, hence the "sarcasm" tag. Just taken in context with the rest of the show it portrays the wife as submissive and not necessarily strong, but again that's largely due to lazy stereotypes and lack of development thus far.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Just taken in context with the rest of the show it portrays the wife as submissive and not necessarily strong, but again that's largely due to lazy stereotypes and lack of development thus far.Seriously, this is otm. Also Rick has this obvious macho thing going on and that kid is always like DADDY and you cannot tell me that they are doing anything out of the ordinary wrt gender stereotypes here
i'm not saying it's offensive, it's just boring
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the kid = Carl, which is a hilarious name for a kid and the only thing i consistently lol at during this show
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah who the hell names anyone Carl.
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno, i just find it amusing for some reason
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
like if his name were Gary
or Russ
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Rick's a big Aqua Teen Hunger Force fan? Hmm, probably not.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Just taken in context with the rest of the show it portrays the wife as submissive and not necessarily strong, but again that's largely due to lazy stereotypes and lack of development thus far.Seriously, this is otm. Also Rick has this obvious macho thing going on and that kid is always like DADDY and you cannot tell me that they are doing anything out of the ordinary wrt gender stereotypes herei'm not saying it's offensive, it's just boring― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
Do you really need some crazy grand guignol homo orgy to not be bored by something? I bought into the reunion scene, emotionally I mean. Couldn't help but think about when I was a kid and how sad I'd get when my dad was gone for weeks at a time on business ):
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
what's your problem?! no, i don't -- i just find stereotypes this broad kind of boring
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
A child being excited to see his presumed-dead father... what a snooze of a stereotype!!!! Wake me up when they're done with all these shitty HUMAN EMOTIONS beep boop
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, the characters are stereotypes, the story thus far zombie boilerplate. You want some HUMAN EMOTIONS, read "The Road." This is short-cut, broad-stroke television, through and through, as short-cuts/broad-strokes is what gets viewers. But if you look at past serialized shows, sometimes the writers don't bring their "A" game until season 2, as if they're not willing to get totally invested in a story that may get canned after a mere 6 eps. So yes, stereotypes and boilerplate are a problem, but they're not a real problem unless they keep up through the next season. Keeping the books in mind, I suspect they thankfully won't.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
TamTam, I don't think anyone's dumping on you specifically for having an emotional response to the father/son relationship. Lechera's talking bigger picture, and isn't into the stereotypes of the show in general, not just the father son but the whole pot o' zombies.
Let's all take a step back for a second, maybe?
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
and its only a tv show....
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Tamtam, you can have an emotional response to whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that (1) i need to have one or (2) that if i don't, i am a gigantic superfreak.
taking a step back seems like a good idea
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Loved the show. This thread is going to suck though
― Jeff, Tuesday, November 2, 2010 11:04 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
― circa1916, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM
― Jeff, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew there was a reason i didn't read it until now, and i wish i hadn'toh well
will continue to watch to see what happens
― The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I was just needling The Great Jumanji, (La Lechera) for the purpose of humor, I thought all my really exaggerated misrepresentations of her/his arguments got that across, sorry. "and that kid is always like DADDY" is still a weird thing to call the show out for. Should he have met his dead dad with an icy stare and dryly said "hello father"? And you literally were calling for a pagan orgy earlier, but now it's just "oh I don't respond to stereotypes"? C'mon.
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Enough already.
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yes this is a thread about zombies and doggy style sex in the woods. no more arguing.
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine is a very funny username, btw.
― KyleP (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks.
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
A salient point was raised earlier. If this camp of survivors knows how bad it is in Atlanta, why the hell are they still so close thereto? It didn't seem like there were that many zombos in the town where the story initially started, right? Wouldn't something like that be smarter than right outside zombo central?
― Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "zombo"
― That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I think they were staying far enough away for safety, close enough for Glenn & crew to go to town for supply runs?
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, clearly they're about to move, what with the "wow, a zombie near camp!" epiphany.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, that's one thing that did niggle at me a little... would the supplies you get in downtown Atlanta be any better than what you'd get at a suburban Wal Mart? I feel like probably not, especially for their needs.
― Onigaga (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Hah, maybe they'll all eventually wagon train to Bentonville, Arkansas!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
A long time ago I happened to be kicking around "last man on earth" story ideas at the same time I was working at a grocery wholesaler. The warehouse-exploration possibilities were pretty ripe for terror.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I want to bump the person that said something along the lines of "I'm not looking forward to the ILX discussion" but I can't find that post anymore― Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Thursday, November 4, 2010 11:24 PM (1 week ago)
Loved the show. This thread is going to suck though― Jeff, Tuesday, November 2, 2010 11:04 AM (2 weeks ago)― circa1916, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:37 PM (2 hours ago)
you found it for me :)
― Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, that's one thing that did niggle at me a little... would the supplies you get in downtown Atlanta be any better than what you'd get at a suburban Wal Mart?
could not find latest chillwave releases at the wal-mart so they had to go into the city
― death panel of the mods (Edward III), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Could have sworn in this past ep when womenfolk were chatting about what they missed most, one said "texting." Coffee maker/texting/vibrator pretty much covers it, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
re: sex argument - having sex in end of the world scenarios isn't uncommon
dirty southern assholes and the cowboy policeman seems to be the atmosphere of the show so far... it's different than other zombie shows/movies that I know of and I like that the show has this extra layer of above zombie apocalypse stuff. but I can see myself being sort of disappointed if the sexism gets worse or continues to pop up at least once in every single episode. it's more prevalent than racism at this point. it wouldn't be so bad if it was limited to only a few terrible people - which is why I'm hoping that Shane isn't going to be betrayed anymore sexist than he already is
meanwhile I do hope that Carl's character gets developed some more because he has favorite potential. some other characters might have potential as well but I'm not really seeing it yet
I don't think the main guy is going to become much more of a character than the straight-man hero type (with little flaws here and there to humanize him). He is going to be kind of boring in that way. the tough decisions he'll probably eventually have to make will build up his character and make him more likable. and he'll probably get some bad ass kill scenes as well
if next week's episode is anything like the preview then we'll be back to zombie survival mode which will undoubtedly be enjoyable. throw in some good special effects, cinematography, sets, zombie makeup, creepiness and badass kill scenes and I'll be set. it doesn't take much for me to enjoy zombie apocalypse stuff
― Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
One did indeed say texting. Which I would miss, but not nearly as much as the whole "safety and not having to worry about getting eaten" thing. Yeesh.
― Sauvignon Blanc Mange (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link