trolled so hard by godard
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
lamp i made a joke that is basically identical to your username on twitter a couple weeks ago!!
― google street jew (s1ocki), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i posted a "magi.gif" on a bros facebook but i tht it wld be 'too conceptual' for an ilx dname
do i follow u? probably not..
will be in MTL next month btw
wow this is p off-topic hmmmm
the rothschilds are lizard ppl
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― acoleuthic, Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
when and for how long? let's get a drink
― google street jew (s1ocki), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
doing a thing on the 9th iirc then staying for the weekend. will webmail when it gets closer
― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
do it
ps are you an actual lamp
― google street jew (s1ocki), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
So this is going on:
Bernard-Henri Lévy Part 1Part 2
Also, a take by Hollywood Jew
― Gukbe, Thursday, 18 November 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.newwavefilm.com/images/jean-luc-godard.jpg
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I just finished the MacCabe book. It was decent, great in parts, but mostly unsatisfying. I would like to read a Godard autobiography!
Should I see La Chinoise?
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:54 (4 years ago)
anyone else read this?
― nakhchivan, Friday, 19 November 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The way he's phrasing these things are pretty stupid and baiting, but again, I don't see any problem with asserting that early Hollywood Jewish moguls were interested in commerce (as opposed to art). fwiw I think the fact that they were Jewish has no real relation to any of the output other than the Hays code and the deliberate attempts to 'Christianize' their output to ward off the government and anti-semites who think they're indoctrinating the nation. I don't think the fact that they were Jewish informs their desire to make money. On the flip side, I don't think the fact that they were Jewish meant they were using their films to create an America they could fit into. I don't think that makes me anti-semitic though.
― Gukbe
sorry if this was covered already but "early Hollywood Jewish moguls were interested in commerce" is meaningless because EVERYBODY in hollywood is interested in commerce and it creates this notion that only jewish folks in hollywood are interested in money as opposed to all the other non-jewish people in hollywood (if they actually exist because as we know JEWS run hollywood!)
― omar little, Friday, 19 November 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
omar otm
― the business class edition of the ronaldinho bottle opener thread (sarahel), Friday, 19 November 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I read the MacCabe book two or three summers ago. I found it fairly involving, but I don't remember a lot in the way of specifics--except maybe that MacCabe had a professional relationship with Godard (maybe they collaborated on a script? I don't remember). It's only been the past couple of years where I really started to like certain Godard films (and even loved the look of a something like Made in the U.S.A., which I otherwise found silly), so I'd probably get even more out of the book today.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Boy I hate being on the wrong side of an argument, especially one that I feel pretty ambivalent about in the first place.
I used "early Hollywood Jewish moguls" because that's what the interview was talking about. Godard was being questioned about the charges of anti-semitism and what he's said. Nobody's laid out the charge that of everyone in Hollywood, it was only the Jews that were interested in commerce. The discussion began by excluding everyone else.
As to the notion of saying anything at all about early Hollywood Jewish moguls, I quoted above from the Center for Jewish History. There was also a book published a few years ago about them. It's hardly anti-semitic or politically incorrect to discuss these men in these terms. They're often celebrated for their achievements by the Jewish community. As I've said before, I'm not convinced that the fact that they were Jewish had very much to do with their success, eye for crowd-pleasing stories, or business acumen, but they're not being singled out by an anti-semitic Other.
Obviously Godard's views on Jews is complex, even ghastly with its connotations. I'm just not entirely convinced that this particular interview is damning evidence of his anti-semitism as compared to what's come before.
xpost
― Gukbe, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not looking to build a case here, all i know is that interview really skeeved me out
― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Friday, 19 November 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
ftr (again) not really defending Godard here. genuinely was curious as to what it was that really got to people which turned into trolling accusations etc...
― Gukbe, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that was spelled out upthread -- multiple times
― the business class edition of the ronaldinho bottle opener thread (sarahel), Friday, 19 November 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
there's just this really curious thing that happens when a whole bunch of people in a business are trying to make as much money as possible, some of whom happen to be jewish, and the ones who get singled out as the ones trying to make the money are specifically the ones who are jewish.
― omar little, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not sure that's what is happening here but obviously i've said that multiple times
― Gukbe, Friday, 19 November 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Godard at 80:
http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/2600
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 December 2010 12:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Will be showing the class four minutes of this this morning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LWwhFJoUw
As I've mentioned before, it was two or three decades of general puzzlement (and annoyance) for me before I was able to get anything out of Godard. I now find things like the coffee-cup detour here very moving. "When the future is more present than the present..."
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/mickey-mouse-birthday2.jpg
still haven't got round to reading 'godard at 70', mind
― Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Tried to watch Histoire(s) du Cinema again last nite; gave me a headache. :/
― Stevie T, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
but stevie, it brings to an end the identifiably european culture that began with dante!
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
is that a colin mccabe quote?
― Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
yes
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
it's kind of funnie because for eliot, on whom maccabe is supposed to be an authority, that homogenous, one european culture that began with dante was ended by the english civil war/british civil wars, or by the forces that caused it/them; anyway, that's what he's alluding to, i suppose
sensibility keeps on getting more dissociated every gd year
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:27 (thirteen years ago) link
saw big col trying to int jlg onstage at the nft abt 10 years ago, prob the most excruiating encounter between admirer and object of devotion i've ever witnessed
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
godard seems to bring that out in people. the new yorker's richard brody interviewed him back then and apparently it was insanely awkward -- afterwards, they ended up in the same restaurant, but pointedly jlg and amm both ignored brodybro. who went on to write a very long biography of godard.
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
very long and very fawning, i should say: he got very upset when people used bits from it (you can guess to what prejudice they pertained) to attack godard
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, this was like 20 min arselicking question from CM taking in dante, eliot, cambridge structuralism, dagenham motors, maoism and what not followed by monosyllabic grunt from JLG
bukowski writes of a v funny (if incredibly self-serving) encounter w 'jean-luc modard' in his 'novel' Hollywood (iirc, Buk wrote the English subtitles for 'Slow Motion'... cld be misremembering...)
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 December 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder if jean-luc and woody did a joint bday party, when they were doing 'lear'
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link
godard seems to enjoy being a rude twat
following lacan's edict of 'leave them wanting more'
― Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
By the way (following up on the birthday greeting above), has anybody ever seen Letter to Mickey, where Godard and and his friend Jean-Pierre Gorin spend an hour deconstructing a still from Steamboat Willie? Fantastic.
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
was this after Letter to Jane?
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Battle of the dry wits: I'm joking, but I'm not sure if you're joking or not. (This is like that slacker in the Simpsons "Homerpalooza" episode: "Oh, he's good." "Are you being ironic?" "Man, I don't even know anymore...")
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i saw some quote on tumblr recently from a filmmaker but i cant remember who, thought maybe it was godard, about how its the rich who want art to seem special & extraordinary, but we should work to make art everyday. it may not have been his. anyone know what im talking about?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 3 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.carvalho-bernau.com/jlg/
― C0L1N B..., Sunday, 5 December 2010 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
showing at the museum of fine arts in boston this week as part of a huppert retrospective
Every Man for Himself (Sauve qui peut (la vie) by Jean-Luc Godard (France, 1980, 89 min.). Employed by a television company, Paul is newly separated from his wife Denise. Isabelle (Huppert), a country girl, comes to the city to make a living as a prostitute. The three characters meet, talk, argue, have sex, and separate. A favorite Godard film among many scholars and critics, Every Man for Himself is a crucial and classic work of modern cinema. “So rich, dense, and subtle in imagery that I saw it twice…The film attacked me in what seemed to be a total way” (Gerald Peary, The Boston Phoenix). In French with English subtitles
― if nothing else this thread will result in some great display names (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The film attacked me in what seemed to be a total way
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
gerald peary assaulted by foreign film
― if nothing else this thread will result in some great display names (Edward III), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
just saw Every Man for Himself for the first time since '81. Liked it but was not assaulted.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
West End Cinema in DC is doing Breathless, Contempt & "Made in the USA" which has apparently never screened in the US til now? Saw Breathless (again) Saturday, gonna try to see Made in the USA this week.
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure it has played in the US, but maybe only on the college film society circuit, or at nyff?
― ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i misread somewhere, apparently it was just 'not widely shown' in the us
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i think a lot of his films never got a 'real' release, especially in the 1970s, but it's funny with 'made in usa' coz whatever else you might say about it, it has anna k at her most beuatiful... and also marianne faithfull, who i guess was marketable at the time too
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3234442774_a9277a1247.jpg
think it's one of his best because -- i suppose my memory could be fucking with me but -- jlg himself kind of stays out of it
― ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Parts of Made In USA are great
― big up yourself and encounter (admrl), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
the restored print of breathless is rad btw
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link
did they fill in the jump cuts?
― jed_, Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
or cut down that one really long scene?
― "300" blows (admrl), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link