[xp to myself] damn so much odd phrasing there, wish i'd proofread before looking like a mealy-mouthed continentalist.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link
lj is yr great work about kant's categories?
couldn't give a whisper of a shit about what the seer chomsky has to say about anyone's critique of kant.
thanks merdeyeux, the spinoza might be a good call.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
[blowing of own trumpet]"I LOVE WRITING" MAIDEN VOYAGE appendix: self-appointed and unwieldy meisterwerks[/blowing of own trumpet]
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
you must be capable of circular breathing
― ogmor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha yeah sorry about that
― pro EVOO sucker (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
'a thousand plateaus' is really... seductive? it 'flows' really well, it submerges you. at the same time im not really reading it skeptically, just admiringly, w/o 'seeing it from the middle' (vs 'seeing it from the inside')
anyway i wish my french wasnt so lousy but its still nice to read, much more so than i remembered
― C:\ (Lamp), Thursday, 4 August 2011 06:07 (twelve years ago) link
i couldn't manage it in French but yeah it is pure fun times. i'm not sure how you cd read it skeptically since it uses such deft judo to avoid dogmatism. i think about assemblages in the world around me a lot, then i wonder whether i will ever get my head around the body without organs, then you get to a funny joke and forget it for a bit. it's one of those books that when i'm reading it i tell myself i will spend a couple of years or more just re-reading it to the exclusion of everything else.
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 4 August 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link
part of the seductiveness is the adventure of it i think, i never approach them trying to nail down each sentence before moving onto the next, i'm happy to go for a wander and maybe get a bit lost but then find myself somewhere quite recognisable and think "yes this is a thing" and then wander off again. it engages like literature and never pretends to be some banal science thesis.
― i'm sorry for whatever (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 4 August 2011 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
Lamp, if you start talking here about subjective realism and ooo I am disowning you.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 4 August 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link
Spec realism, sorry, pwned by preemptive ire
― bamcquern, Thursday, 4 August 2011 07:39 (twelve years ago) link
haha i remember reading some thing where deleuze is like "we explained the body without organs to a classroom of seven-year-olds and they all uderstood it immediately" and i was like, uhm, i'll just be over here scratchin my nuts if you need me
― Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 August 2011 09:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.webdeleuze.com/php/texte.php?cle=5&groupe=Anti Oedipe et Mille Plateaux&langue=2
gilles talking to richard pinhas :)
― contreatable logorrhea (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 February 2012 10:54 (twelve years ago) link
ya this is a v good read, richard understands the relation between music and deleuze's philosophy way better than g himself does, i think.
after the pretty tame references to synthesizers in a thousand plateaus i was surprised to come across the impressive discussion of analog and digital synths in the francis bacon book. then it all made sense when it turned out it was taken straight from pinhas.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 17 February 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's one of those books that when i'm reading it i tell myself i will spend a couple of years or more just re-reading it to the exclusion of everything else.
this feels p true. there are certainly bits and pieces of it floating around my brain since i read it last year, to the extent that i always feel like im reading it even tho im not
― 99x (Lamp), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
i am currently reading "anti-oedipus" as a result of discussion here and in the "academic obfuscation" thread. focault preface and mark seem intro have made the descent into D&G's language and approach a lot easier than they might have been otherwise. context is everything. i find myself frustrated but intrigued, but wonder if this type of critical thinking is simply alien to my own intrinsic mode of thought. i'm only a few pages in, and already i've wanted to object strongly to several aspects of the premise-building. i'm trying, however, to stay my mind-hand and just burrow in. wish me luck...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
the heavy reliance on what are obviously references to other texts/ideas, but that are unsourced and unexplained, for instance, grates
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
you are obviously not smoking enough weed yet
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 February 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
i have never had enough free time from my own academic pursuits to dive into D&G beyond a general familiarity with them. (i have read and enjoyed Guattari's "Chaosmosis" however.)
― ryan, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
oops. i meant to add that i plan to! i have logic of sense and difference and repetition all lined up in my "to read" pile.
― ryan, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
i am very thankful that nobody in the humanities cares about these dudes anymore. (at least, publishers don't want to publish any more "deleuzian" studies anymore.)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
why was it making your life hard
― lil kink (Matt P), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 19:48 (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know next to nothing about theory but i thought deleuze was super in vogue right now, so much cultural stuff i see in public is always flagged up as being poignant when considered through a deleuzian-lens. maybe we are just behind the times here.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
my friend is doing his PhD on him and his supervisor writes about him so I don't know when it went out of vogue but I'll let him know it has
― encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 17 February 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
nah it's out of vogue already. good luck getting that dissertation published.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
someone had better tell continuum to withdraw the dozen-plus books on deleuze they have due out this year.
― shart practice (Merdeyeux), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
ok maybe i'm wrong. that's the impression i was given my editors--that they are sick of deleuze manuscripts. but maybe that's only some editors.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, in vogue or out of vogue, he's useless to me.
(or a bit more srsly - i think the trend of applying deleuze and guattari here there and everywhere is slowing down [if not at all dying], but there's a lot more in the way of deleuze-as-philosopher stuff emerging now.)
― shart practice (Merdeyeux), Friday, 17 February 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
amateurist had no use for deleuze, RIP
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 17 February 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
lol what's happened to ilx lately.
some douche in my class kept whipping out deleuzian phrases like deterritorialization and lines of flight in class the other day, and looking really smug about it. but he was using them wrong. like in this really mundane way where it was like he had just heard someone saying them and decided to use them in sentences without having any idea that they actually meant anything. this guy is such a pain in the ass.
― judith, Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
a thousand plateaus is so much fun. i've read rhizomes so many times this last year that it just reads like a regular essay to me now. its weird, they're ideas are kindof easy to understand but not necessarily to explain, bodies w/o organs is such a visceral image, the egg as an illustration. desiring machines, war machines. becoming-woman. so great, so much fun.
― judith, Saturday, 18 February 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
i am going to buy rhizomes at the book store tomorrow
― 99x (Lamp), Saturday, 18 February 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
glad 2 see contenderizer tryin 2 vibe w/ delueze. itll come 2 u dude, just fake it till u make it
― max, Saturday, 18 February 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
haven't read anti-oedipus since college, this thread makes me want to revisit but I've been reading the same pulp sci-fi novel for the past 2 months so I don't think it's gonna happen. maybe I'll just listen to this
http://shardsofbeauty.blogspot.com/2010/01/amor-fati-body-wo-organs-lp-another.html
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
dug this:
http://www.bard.edu/mfa/summer/readings/documents/DeLeuzeWhatistheCreativeAct.pdf
sorry for bard url
― suze (Matt P), Thursday, 31 January 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
― Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Thursday, August 4, 2011 4:18 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
'how could mad particles be produced with anything but a gigantic cyclotron?'
― j., Monday, 11 March 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
easily. the body without organs does it.
― markers, Monday, 11 March 2013 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
professor challenger
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Professor_Challenger.jpg
― j., Monday, 11 March 2013 03:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://home.howstuffworks.com/grass.htm
― j., Thursday, 24 October 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link
'this is not reassuring, because you can botch it.'
― j., Tuesday, 7 July 2015 04:47 (eight years ago) link
http://oaj.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/3/341/F3.large.jpg
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 04:45 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/world/asia/china-fences-in-its-nomads-and-an-ancient-life-withers.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
If modern material comforts are the measure of success, then Gere, a 59-year-old former yak-and-sheep herder in China’s western Qinghai Province, should be a happy man.In the two years since the Chinese government forced him to sell his livestock and move into a squat concrete house here on the windswept Tibetan plateau, Gere and his family have acquired a washing machine, a refrigerator and a color television that beams Mandarin-language historical dramas into their whitewashed living room.But Gere, who like many Tibetans uses a single name, is filled with regret. Like hundreds of thousands of pastoralists across China who have been relocated into bleak townships over the past decade, he is jobless, deeply indebted and dependent on shrinking government subsidies to buy the milk, meat and wool he once obtained from his flocks.“We don’t go hungry, but we have lost the life that our ancestors practiced for thousands of years,” he said.In what amounts to one of the most ambitious attempts made at social engineering, the Chinese government is in the final stages of a 15-year-old campaign to settle the millions of pastoralists who once roamed China’s vast borderlands. By year’s end, Beijing claims it will have moved the remaining 1.2 million herders into towns that provide access to schools, electricity and modern health care.Official news accounts of the relocation rapturously depict former nomads as grateful for salvation from primitive lives. “In merely five years, herders in Qinghai who for generations roved in search of water and grass, have transcended a millennium’s distance and taken enormous strides toward modernity,” said a front-page article in the state-run Farmers’ Daily. “The Communist Party’s preferential policies for herders are like the warm spring breeze that brightens the grassland in green and reaches into the herders’ hearts.”But the policies, based partly on the official view that grazing harms grasslands, are increasingly contentious. Ecologists in China and abroad say the scientific foundations of nomad resettlement are dubious. Anthropologists who have studied government-built relocation centers have documented chronic unemployment, alcoholism and the fraying of millenniums-old traditions.
In the two years since the Chinese government forced him to sell his livestock and move into a squat concrete house here on the windswept Tibetan plateau, Gere and his family have acquired a washing machine, a refrigerator and a color television that beams Mandarin-language historical dramas into their whitewashed living room.
But Gere, who like many Tibetans uses a single name, is filled with regret. Like hundreds of thousands of pastoralists across China who have been relocated into bleak townships over the past decade, he is jobless, deeply indebted and dependent on shrinking government subsidies to buy the milk, meat and wool he once obtained from his flocks.
“We don’t go hungry, but we have lost the life that our ancestors practiced for thousands of years,” he said.
In what amounts to one of the most ambitious attempts made at social engineering, the Chinese government is in the final stages of a 15-year-old campaign to settle the millions of pastoralists who once roamed China’s vast borderlands. By year’s end, Beijing claims it will have moved the remaining 1.2 million herders into towns that provide access to schools, electricity and modern health care.
Official news accounts of the relocation rapturously depict former nomads as grateful for salvation from primitive lives. “In merely five years, herders in Qinghai who for generations roved in search of water and grass, have transcended a millennium’s distance and taken enormous strides toward modernity,” said a front-page article in the state-run Farmers’ Daily. “The Communist Party’s preferential policies for herders are like the warm spring breeze that brightens the grassland in green and reaches into the herders’ hearts.”
But the policies, based partly on the official view that grazing harms grasslands, are increasingly contentious. Ecologists in China and abroad say the scientific foundations of nomad resettlement are dubious. Anthropologists who have studied government-built relocation centers have documented chronic unemployment, alcoholism and the fraying of millenniums-old traditions.
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― j., Sunday, 12 July 2015 14:33 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/DeepdreamBot
read the faciality chapter just the other week
this is the WRONG DIRECTION
― j., Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/07/20/study_neurotic_people_see_faces_in_things_it_s_called_pareidolia.html
― j., Wednesday, 22 July 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
About 1/3rd of the way through Anti-Oedipus at the moment - I suspect that I'll end up disagreeing with a lot of it*, but if nothing else it's as wild a ride as I was hoping for and just great for clearing mental bad air.
*(At least in terms of their positive thesis about how desire works - in terms of the more critical/polemical side of things, dunking on psychoanalysis is obv always fun but no longer feels like a v urgent project).
― Unbreakable Kim Jong-Un (Mr Andy M), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
Keep resisting the urge to skip through to the parts where they discuss deterritorialization & reterritorialization in detail, because those are the concepts that to me seem the most relevant to geopolitical events of the last few years - but at this stage I'm committed to doing the whole thing properly.
― Unbreakable Kim Jong-Un (Mr Andy M), Saturday, 16 June 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
deleuze’s son is a management consultant 🙃 pic.twitter.com/VocSB99SeV— nash 🦉 (@pnashjenkins) November 20, 2018
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
hahahahahah!!!!!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
alas it is not true, the ages don't work
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
There is a resemblance, yes. But Julien, son of Gilles, is born in 1960, making him 58. This Julien graduated from his engineering school in 2002. So a relation perhaps but not Deleuze's son. Sorry to spoil the fun.— Antoine Bousquet (@AJBousquet) November 23, 2018
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link