ILE Weight Watchaz

it's more fun to talk about eating good food than not eating good food.

Hearing about other ppls diets can be k-boring. I mean I'm not saying always boring--I read this thread, right?--but maybe yr friend is just like "OK can we talk about something else already?"

i.e. "ME"

i guess so Jordan, i guess you're right. no, really i haven't been talking her ear off about it. she just all sensitive cuz she has issues with her weight and can't lose it that way.

wow i just got upset

I get a bit annoyed when people tell me about their clearly incredibly unhealthy dieting habits, because I can't even tell whether they're looking for praise, envy, or concern, but sometimes it's obviously some kind of competitive ego-padding or attention-seeking. Like if I'm eating a sandwich for lunch, and the other person says "If I skip breakfast and lunch for another week, do you think I'll look less fat, or should I skip dinners too?" That just seems manipulative, like the person is trying to make me get really worried about them, or feel guilty that I'm not skipping meals, or something. I think there are insensitive ways to talk about it.

ok see this is the thing. i guess i get that? but whenever i talk about, i talk about because it's just a big part of my life. eating is a big part of our lives. and i'm just a very open person. so. there ya go.

"If I skip breakfast and lunch for another week, do you think I'll look less fat, or should I skip dinners too?"

but this is clearly obnoxious

It is! But I think some people just have seriously different (IMO, screwed up) views of what is normal and acceptable, and don't realize how weird their ideas are. There's also an element of self-centeredness that actually blinds them from realizing that you clearly think eating sandwiches is normal and acceptable, or else they wouldn't say it (at least I hope it's self-centeredness, and not being perfectly conscious of you and just trying to show off).

Which is not to say that you do sound or think like that. But anorexic friends make you think about anorexic psychology, and, well, that's what it looks like and why it's good to avoid!

(PS I'm talking "literally anorexic" here, not just being snide. But I think it's a slippery slope among girls of a certain age.)

yea i hear ya

and a certain type of guys too, maria

i have witnessed visible abs today, on me
b/c of all the biking but also b/c i stopped eating the things that are difficult for me to digest plus stopped the booze but esp beer ;_; but also :) b/c my digestive system has not caused me pain in days and days yaay! and i have lost 5+ lbs, i don't know, i don't have a scale, i just go by how clothes fit and clothes are getting loose

also despite my skepticism i've been doing 'em0tional freed0m technique' thing b/c my naturopath (who is also healthily skeptical of many things) did it with me re: insatiable desire for sugar and it totally worked. or something worked. whatever the case, i used it for desire for beer in social situations where everyone is drinking beer and it worked for that, which kinda blew my mind. so hey. ultimately i'd rather feel and look healthy and happy than have these overwhelming desires to eat/drink the things i obv have a difficult time with physically & mentally/emotionally.

also it is going to be a hot summer and i want to go swimming a lot and wear bikinis aw yeah

what is this technique, robyn? i need to stop having cravings for ramen. it is killing my otherwise relatively healthy diet. i just want ramen ALL THE TIME!

i have never worn a bikini and doubt i ever will. boo, they don't really sell many cute and less revealing suits...

lol: www.emofree dot com

yeah rrobyn what is yr emotional freedom thingum? and how does one apply this technique? genuinely curious

b/c i have an unhealthy relationship with cheese

i totally loled A LOT at "emofree.com" when i first saw it omg

the official site kinda seems a bit snake-oily, tbh

on that site tho there is a downloadable (for frees) pdf that explains the whole thing - i don't know what else they're saying/shilling on the site b/c i didn't read it - i'm just going on what my naturopath and a friend of my mom's (who does natural healing things and is awesome) said. it's sort of a combination of chinese medicine and like i don't know 'personal power'/affirmations/mantras? anyway it does sound a bit crazy b/c it involved tapping these meridian points and repeating the same phrase each time you tap these points. i also include the point at the top of the head, which i don't think they do in the pdf manual. if you really want to change a habit/addiction that you think is causing you problems, then i think it should work. but as with, say, smoking, if someone doesn't really want to give it up, if it's, like, a part of their identity they can't live without, then i'm guessing this technique will be rough going, tho it might have an effect after a while.

xpost yeah kinda snake-oily for sure but i think that the fact that they're giving you the manual for free says something - and it's not vague or anything, like it actually tells you what to do and you don't need to buy anything to do it.
p.s. you will feel like a total dork the first time you do it

p.s. i believe in energy meridians

surprising to no one

rrobyn, no matter what my opinions are about the specific technique, i think it's fantastic that you've found something that feels good & has tangible results for you. and belief is probably 9/10th of the reason for its success!

i could stand to believe in a few more things, i think

yeah i think i prob believe in my own abilities to stay healthy and not put myself in pain more than i believe in this specific technique, but i also believe in my yknow connection to the universe and everyone/everything in it. also i just don't have time to feel like crap or feel not-myself, i realized, so changes are being made.

eft sounds a bit like the NLP "anchoring" bit, which is about using verbal and physical cues to recall positive "resourceful" states of mind -- so if there's multiple techniques for mapping the same sort of biofeedback response, it at least makes me think there must be some valid basis for it

yeah i think it's all connected - one of the reasons i tried it is b/c of the meridians/chinese-medicine/etc connection - i think a lot of these things are just different language and methodology about the same thing, some out to make $ and/or fame, some not, same old story

My Chinese therapist did emofree on me for a PHYSICAL complaint. Did fuck-all, but he kept insisting and pushing it until I stopped seeing him. I imagine for a craving it would be effective though.

i'm really not into love handles. i mean i like them on some guys, it's like cute (ok on some guys it's really cute!), but not on me.

You could drag a Kenworth with my love handles atm.

yes we believe you

I have to gain loads of body fat. Thinking of wearing baggy tops for a while.

Back down to 228. Need to bike more.

somehow i lost almost ten pounds in the past few weeks eating pastrami sandwiches and relaxing in the pool

I'm gonna lose weight cuz I feel like a 7 when I could be an 8 or 9 (for every 25 pounds lighter). That confidence boost would do wonders on my sex drive.

i have dropped four inches off my waist through not drinking alcohol every night

I have cut out all after-dinner snacks and desserts... but I've also started having several drinks a couple of nights a week (up from a couple of drinks a week total, up from not drinking at all for several years). I'm afraid this is just evening things out overall, but I guess that's better than dessert plus booze.

yeah I drink too much... there's a good Grifters song called Day Shift with those exact lyrics.

jesus i don't look very big but today i discovered i'm just over 13 1/2 stone : - O

this must change

How's everyone doing?

since january i dropped 2 stone, look and feel great, still keeping up the 3x week gym sessions. ive taken on advice from these threads (mostly yours AA, thanks!) about switching machines, doing weights etc.

i've been doing a lot of cross trainer for the past 2 months or so - got myself up to 55mins per session (burning off approx 800 cals) which is a real result for me. as of this week i'm back on the bikes and AA what you said about your body getting used to machines really rang true, after just 10 mins i was sweating whereas it'd been taking about 20 mins on the crosstrainer lately.

weightwise i've stalled around the 10st 9-13 mark for the past 3 months, only dropping about 5 pounds in that time, but that's fine, if it keeps at this level i'll be at my goal of 10st by the end of the year, and if not that's ok as i'm happy with how i look and feel at the moment - would be nice to kill off the small roll of fat round my middle though. it's all good though as i'm eating more of what i want, rather than counting calories so slowed weightloss is a fair tradeoff.

the other day i looked back at some photos i took at the very start of all this, can't believe i let myself go so badly. shameful.

"would be nice to kill off the small roll of fat round my middle though"

tell me about it, that thing is immortal.

how are a ilxors doing coming up to the horrible annoying yuletide period

i've not lost any weight in a few months (still 10st 9ish), doing the 3x week gym trip but not aiming to increase the weights, just keeping it steady and upping the cardio by 5 mins every few weeks. im fairly content with this, i know the main reason i've not lost any weight in a while is because i've been (enjoying) eating rich food lately and im fine with that.

my plan is to do another cal-restricted cold turkey from mid-jan onwards again (1500 per day) til i lose another stone then calm down on it. the longterm goal is to get down to 10 stone and stick to that like ive stuck to 11st lately. would really like to lose this small paunch but i'll prob have to go lower than 10st to get that. not sure if it's worth it as im quite happy as i am now and i like to balance working out with enjoying eating out / cooking up slap-up feeds etc.

im openly planning to drink, be merry and eat a bunch over the xmas period - im wary of getting into a boom/bust cycle of constant dieting but i figure one fortnight-blowout every year should be fine.

17kg down in 15 weeks, and that's the only time I'm posting to this thread until I've managed the 36kg loss I'm aiming for by next June.

I really, really miss salted peanuts, and assume that I'm gonna put on about 2kg back over Xmas so, I dunno. I missed one of my tri-weekly gym sessions today for the first time since I started because of work deadlines, so maybe it's all coming horridly crashing down. It's also dispiriting to lose so much weight and still be fat, but I suppose that's what 10 years of being on first name terms with kebab shop owners in six towns will do you.

s.rose, don't be scared of a xmas binge. A few days between months of discipline isn't going to undo it all.

17kg down in 15 weeks, and that's the only time I'm posting to this thread until I've managed the 36kg loss I'm aiming for by next June.

That's pretty incredible. Hopefully you know that the second half is more difficult to lose than the first: those first few kilos always vanish quicksticks for some reason.

Anyway, you're just about bang on the halfway mark, so keep doing what you've been doing. Missing the odd gym session isn't a big deal at all (although your guilt about it is a good indication of your drive to keep up the pace). June should be achievable, but don't panic or bash yrself up if you go over.

loved that kebambulance thread

btw I love this thread.