Best British comedy series to have debuted in the last ten years.

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Spaced is important because it was the first time that *that generation* and *that lifestyle* had been shown on British TV: low-level media aspirationals scraping a living in the arse-end of London. Maybe the TV show that Spaced has most in common with then is Thirtysomething?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The Goodies as well, xp.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

low-level media aspirationals scraping a living in the arse-end of London

The Goodies!

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, ha ha, spooky xpost!!!

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

<i>was it the first sitcom (ie pre-scrubs, pre-arrested development) to have shitloads of random insert shots?</i>

ally mcbeal?

― RJG, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

none of these other shows listed seemed quite so reliant on effects, filming techniques etc. as Spaced - i'm standing by it still...

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

or rather the way Spaced was shot was far more integral to the show than any other british comedy show ever.

-- blueski, Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:55 PM (7 minutes ago)

certainly for a very long time.

integral is the right word -- the 'to the manor born'/'green wing' thing doesn't work because whereas 'green wing' (which isn't that bad, but it's no 'scrubs') is quite traditional, the characters in 'spaced' are always making film refs, so is the show... it comes together.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

does green wing have anything in common w/ scrubs other than them both being v bad and unfunny in hospitals?

― RJG, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't even know they were making film refs most of the time (xp)

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

integral is the right word -- the 'to the manor born'/'green wing' thing doesn't work because whereas 'green wing' (which isn't that bad, but it's no 'scrubs') is quite traditional, the characters in 'spaced' are always making film refs, so is the show... it comes together.

By your logic then Spaced has a lot in common with Family Guy. Which it obviously doesn't.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

does green wing have anything in common w/ scrubs other than them both being v bad and unfunny in hospitals?

-- RJG, Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:07 PM (1 minute ago)

oh you.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

RJG and quitguy like the same amount of stuff.

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Green Wing is no Surgical Spirit

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i like more stuff.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe one more thing

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Only When I Laugh > Surgical Spirit > Scrubs > Green Wing

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

in only when i laugh, did the whole show take place in that one room, i cant remember

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

which of these shows had the smallest budget?

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I imagine if "Only When I Laugh" had ran for 10,000 episodes it still wouldn't have reached the budget for one episode of "Green Wing"

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Only When I Laugh *wasn't* a one set sitcom, I think. I'm sure they went out into the corridor and the garden at some points as well.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

sounds awesome

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/800/onlywhenilaugh.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

One set comedies = awesome

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

There's always that argument that retro video games are intrinsically better because they didn't have the luxury of impressed or realistic graphics to play with so all effort was put into the actual "gameplay" itself. Same distinction between OWIL and Green Wing, maybe?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

That one guy that quit, you can't say you like more stuff than I do just because you like green wing, scrubs and 30 rock

― RJG, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

good comedy = anything that when one sees a still of the cast making a "wooowhmp woooowhmp" noise makes it funnier.

― acrobat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

its a good point about one-set shows, its a massive change and exciting, when they go somewhere else briefly

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

do you like 'friends', rjg?

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

dom what do you consider the finest british comedy series. would it be a sitcom? do you think the sitcom is the best format?

where do you place whatever happened to the likely lads?

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't agree with all this 'limitations r good' stuff. it wasn't really an aesthetic choice. it's like with films: they've improved since outdoor shooting became doable.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you know it wasn't really an aesthetic choice?

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't half talk some drivel at times

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

cos there's no way they could have shot on location for more than x-minutes. bbc budgets across the board were firm on that, not just in comedy.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Best British comedy series ever is Porridge ahead of Yes, Minister. IAP, Father Ted, Steptoe, and WHTTLL would all place highly. WHTTLL had a great first series, series and a half, but it did run out of steam towards the end of its run. Like The Simpsons, we tend to watch the episodes out of order these days, so we don't notice it as much. The show also has a lot to say about that first generation of educated working class lads from the late 50s/early 60s, I think I've learned a lot more about prole life from that era from both TLL and WHTTLL than I have from any kitchen sink drama.

Sitcoms are the one artform that take up most of our cultural lives: they're bite-sized, they're constant, and they're meant to "reflect" our lives in some way. More of your brain is taken up with sitcom plots than you realise.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

And all comedy was on the BBC was it?

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I like middle-late period friends

― RJG, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

do you really think it was down to limitations? lots of its contemporaries seemed to be multi-set

― 696, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but remember green wing ended cos it cost too much so erm some things are still beyoned the financial reach of most british producers.

― acrobat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

On The Buses was shot on location.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

But not for the BBC of course!

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

True. ITV budgets must have been a *lot* bigger than BBC ones at the time, then.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Brideshead Revisited cost something like £12million to make, and this was back in the early 80s.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Some sitcoms ARE just about people sitting around and talking - "'Til Death Us Do Part" springs to mind - and that's an aesthetic choice

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i reckon the money is there but it has to go on something they "know" will get viewers these days. so silly money for j ross less so for another series of green wing. maybe if more people watched it'd be different. nathan barley must have cost a lot for little payback as well?

― acrobat, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i've never seen a full episode of WHTTLL. why didn't it get repeated as much as other shows of the same time?

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I like middle-late period friends

-- RJG, Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:38 PM (19 seconds ago)

yeah, snap: it did improve.

the bbc produced a lot of the single-set sitcoms dom is talking about and they did put restraints on outside shooting that had nothing to do with aesthetics. itv budgets often were bigger, yes. an export-driven thing like 'brideshead' is not the same as a domestic-only sitcom.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but remember green wing ended cos it cost too much so erm some things are still beyoned the financial reach of most british producers.

is this really true? what was so expensive about it? making the footage go backwards and forwards is cheap and quick to do. i guess it had a bigger cast than many comedies?

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i've never seen a full episode of WHTTLL. why didn't it get repeated as much as other shows of the same time?

It didn't? More so than something like "I Didn't Know You Cared" tho

― Tom D., Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Dad's Army shot a lot of stuff on location though. When did the BBC start scaling down on that sort of stuff?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

aye, never even heard of that (xpost)

― blueski, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

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