South Park: Classic or Dud?

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If they're in line with anything, it's the hipster libertarian thing, the suck.com-Reason-Peter Bagge crowd. I thought the Scientology one was just so-so, it was a little too deliberate and the "trapped in the closet" gag went on waaaay too long. The ginger kids one was good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I think my fave bit was just straightforwardly telling the whole Xenu/volcano thing, and putting up "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUAKLLY BELIEVE" in bold during the entire thing.

but yeah, these guys are libertarian types.

On the other hand, I think the Suck.com folks in particular weren't nec. so much libertarians as just straight hipster contrarian asshole/nihilist-types. Remember that they were active during the Clinton years, so they had to go against that. Snarky for no particular reason, other than just being so. Wonkette never changed her tone, even after Suck went down. The Pose is all that matters, etc.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"straight hipster contrarian asshole/nihilist-types"

which is precisely what south park isn't. you can't create a character like butters and be this.

JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah the only thread of continuity to suck was snark, libertarianism was hardly the party line there. south park dudes decidedly very much libertarian but (thankgod) satirists/comedians first. a shame we'll probably never get to see them do an episode on libertarianism a la 'these freaks actually believe this crazy shit' like they did with mormonism and scientology.


this is gonna be the team america thread all over again isn't it?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I still don't understand what was was supposed to be funny or poignant or insightful re: the OMG GLOBAL WARMING nonsense in this season's first episode.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

honest question: what in libertarianism is truly as crazy as the tenents of mormonism or scientology?

JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Which is to say, um, yay South Park?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

this is gonna be the team america thread all over again isn't it?

We can avoid that. What if we were to discuss the political implications of Butters, instead?

Say, have they used Pip since Butters appeared? (aside from their Charles Dickens/Monty Python ep?) I'm trying to think of another character they both torture and celebrate so much as Butters. Pip they just tortured.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up trying to figure out Stone and Parker's politics. There are so many levels of irony going on that I think it's pretty hard to get to the core of, and when a genuine sentiment does pierce the post-modern fog, it's generally pretty humanist in nature (and often manifests itself in Butters - what a great creation he is). Everytime I find my self getting wound up by some inferred rightest reactionary opinion I try and think, 'they've obviously mainly put that in there to piss off pussies like me', and get on with laughing like a bastard.

It's such an extrodinary show which will be seen in the future as a key satirical work, more so than the Simpsons, I believe.

chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i think it trumps the simpsons as well.

you're also really getting at something. To me, Butters has always been a statement that reads something like: "Even if the world is post-modern, not all of it's inhabitants are"

JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, particularly accentuated by the fact that Butters has absolutely no grasp of irony (which is often what gets him into so much trouble).

chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I miss Tweak.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's say I pull a '79 Zephyr out of an abandoned garage. Twenty-six years ago some college kid with a nihilist sense of humor affixed to that car a "NUKE THE WHALES" bumper sticker. If I charged the battery, changed the oil, checked the tires and renewed the registration, would I be good to go? No, not unless I

1) wanted the whales nuked, or
2) were completely oblivious to how subsequent events had changed the way other people would view that bumper sticker.

Look, Sean Penn may be kind of an asshat, but no way is Stone & Parker's obvious, disproportionate focus on the asshattery of the Sean Penns of the world "apolitical" in 2005.

M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Celebrity bits of any kind are often their weakest, although their have been exceptions. Robert Smith fighting Godzilla and Sally Struthers dueling with Pat Robertson's space ship were both pretty good. And Brian Boitano, obviously.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"their/there"

The internet is rotting my brain.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm enjoying the discussion of Butters very much. I find many of the Southpark characters very loveable and endearing.

moley, Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree. I think Timmy is one of the most postive disabled characters that's ever been on screen.

chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Shockingly, he has his own Wiki. Turns out he really is based on their Director of Animation.

I had forgotten about the whole "Butters' dad is closeted and his mom tried to kill him" ep.

also, i hadn't heard about the bit when Comedy Central didn't want Butters to be abused on screen anymore, or the not-running the "Jared Has Aides" ep.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

omg the scientology episode was fucking amazing

howell huser (chaki), Monday, 21 November 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

r. kelly!

latebloomer: Do I have a large frog in my hair? (latebloomer), Monday, 21 November 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

"And I'ma pull out my gun

"Oh Geez he's started with the gun again!"

"And I'ma cap this bitch unless Tom Cruise and John Travolta come out the closet..."

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 21 November 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

a shame we'll probably never get to see them do an episode on libertarianism a la 'these freaks actually believe this crazy shit' like they did with mormonism and scientology.

though it isn't quite such a critique, let's not forget that officer barbrady swore off reading b/c he thought that atlas shrugged was a worthless piece of shit.

then again, that could just be sectarian bickering :-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

as a segue from the "movie cliches" thread, can we talk about Trey & Matt's usage of standard cliches? I'm thinking in particular about the early 2003 ep, right before the war. Just the bit where Cartman spends most of the time trying to knock himself out in order to go back in time.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/19/south_park_axed/

Tom Cruise kills South Park episode

By Lester Haines
Published Thursday 19th January 2006 12:01 GMT

UK TV viewers will not get to see an episode of South Park which shows Nicole Kidman and fellow Scientologist John Travolta attempting to coax a fictional Tom Cruise character out of a closet, with Kidman saying: "Don't you think this has gone on long enough? It's time for you to come out of the closet. You're not fooling anyone."

Naturally, the robustly heterosexual Top Gun star took exception to this when Trapped in the Closet aired in the US. The episode also showed Stan - believed by the Cruise character to be the reincarnation of Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard - having a pop at Cruise's acting abilities, and Cruise reportedly waved the legal big stick at Paramount and threatened to sue if the offending programme was ever shown again.

An insider said: "Tom is famously very litigious and will go to great lengths to protect his reputation. Tom was said not to like the episode and Paramount just didn't dare risk showing it again. It's a shame that UK audiences will never see it because it's very funny." ®

kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"robustly heterosexual"

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

www.thecloset.notlong.com

Black Arkestra (Black Arkestra), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Twat.

chap who would dare to no longer work for the man (chap), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"We're not comin' out the closet/so you can just go away"

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, one good way for Tom Cruise to stop people from making fun of him would be to STOP ACTING LIKE SUCH A WIMPLE-FILCHING NUTBAG.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Has Tom Cruise never heard of the Internet? Everyone should all start re-seeding this episode right now. And everyone will. Nabisco, hahaha, otm, of course.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Friday, 20 January 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

This episode is hilarious. Bless you b1tt0rr3nt!! "Ima pull out my gun..." uber-classic.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Sunday, 22 January 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I was wondering when this would happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i was wondering why it hadn't happened sooner.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The points that Matt makes are good ones, though. He seems as if he wants to have his religion free from being assailed and retain the ability mock others. LAME.

Hot Buttered Soul is still an amazing album.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The points that Matt makes are good ones, though.

Absolutely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

otm

latebloomer aka rembrandt, the fifth ninja turtle (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

If only the sentiments of the last five posts could have been applied to the Team America thread.

WHEN YOU TAKE TURNS MAKING FUN OF EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WINS.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh I was just searching for a South Park thread to make sure I wouldnt duplicate anything re this very story. Un fucking beeelievable. Lost all respeck for the man, I have.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

WHEN YOU TAKE TURNS MAKING FUN OF EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WINS.

Hooray!

I find this all a little suspicious given that there was that hilarious South Park bit done for the MTV movie awards back in 2000 (I'm pretty sure) where they trashed Travolta and Scientology. Hayes wasn't involved but how could he not know about that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

so what deep-voiced black musician can do the voice for chef now?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

rakim

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they'll just kill chef

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

what's method man up to these days?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Knowing the SP guys, they'll probably get someone like David Alan Grier to do his "Men on Film" character, just to destroy the Chef mystique wholesale. (And, incidentally, make him way more awesome in my opinion.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was thinking they'll take the opportunity to completely destroy/rebuild the character.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:22 (eighteen years ago) link

And God bless them for that.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm trying to list all the religions they've riffed on:

-catholicism (the vatican ep, the bleeding statue ep)
-evangelical american protestants (the 2nd starvin' marvin ep)
-mormonism (dum dum dum dum dum ep)
-judaism (constantly, esp with kyle at jew camp)
-tom cruism (inna closet ep)
-Xianity(at least once a season)
-icons as the legion of superfriends

etc

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Trey & Matt are supposed to be on Letterman on wednesday, right?

kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:49 (eighteen years ago) link

-icons as the legion of superfriends

This aired on syndication tonight! (I had never seen it)

Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, Sea Man vs the Blaine-tologists.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone point me to the episode that makes fun of libertarians? Because as far as I know, there hasn't been one.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago) link


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