BY-PRODUCTS OF MORMON CULTURE
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link
http://m1.2mdn.net/1563414/10019_40181_300x250.gif
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 December 2008 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
i have found a planet full of Mormon babez
― Mr. Que, Monday, 1 December 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I had questions no one would answer SAD FACE
― kate78, Monday, 1 December 2008 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Gov't should tax these fuckers. And the Scientologists.
― thirdalternative, Monday, 1 December 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11487214&cm_mmc=BCEmail_Sept2010Mailer-_-Focus-_-83-_-ShelfRelianceTHRIVE
― high speed p-diddy-esque shrimping vessel (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy wow.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, I love freeze dried fruit so much. I don't think I'd want to survive the apocalypse on four different flavors of TVP.
This whole thing is weird because they have Mormon canneries where you can buy this stuff or go put your own cheap rice and dried fruit in cans.
― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
http://providentliving.org/content/display/0,11666,7636-1-4104-1,00.html
― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay, this actually DOES look like a bowl of soil.
http://content.costco.com/Images/Content/ProductLarge/426464LL_v1.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
More useful for cost comparison: here are the prices to buy stuff from the Mormon church: http://providentliving.org/content/display/0,11666,8133-1-4352-1,00.html
I just get the feeling this is cheaper than what Costco's offering. OTOH they don't have freeze dried fruit. How can you pretend you're ruining everyone's Strawberry Special K by stealing all the freeze dried strawberries, if you just get stuff from this order form?
― Mormons come out of the sky and they stand there (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Thrive, more like Hive, amirite?
― kenan, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Jeffs = life in prison
― Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17036046
The Mormon Church has apologised for posthumously baptising the parents of Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal.Asher and Rosa Rapp Wiesenthal were baptised in proxy ceremonies by church members in the US states of Arizona and Utah in January, records show.Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints spokesman Michael Purdy said the Church' s leaders "sincerely regret" the actions of "an individual member".The Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center denounced the news."We are outraged that such insensitive actions continue in the Mormon temples," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, a spokesman at the centre.The Mormon religion allows baptism after death, and believes the departed soul can then accept or reject the baptismal rites.An agreement in 1995 was supposed to ban the practice of baptising by proxy Holocaust victims, after it was discovered the names of hundreds of thousands of those who died had been entered into Mormon records.Simon Wiesenthal's parents are long since deceased, with his father dying in World War I and his mother perishing in the Holocaust.Wiesenthal himself died in 2005 after surviving the Holocaust and dedicating his life to documenting Nazi crimes and hunting down perpetrators.'Serious breach'Mr Purdy told the Associated Press news agency that the church considered the act "a serious breach of our protocol".According to Mr Purdy, the names of the Wiesenthal family were simply entered into a genealogical database by one person."We have suspended indefinitely this person's ability to access our genealogy records," he said.The name of that individual or the individuals who performed the rite were not released.Evidence that Wiesenthal's parents had been baptised was found by Helen Radkey, a researcher and former Mormon, AP reported.She regularly checks the Church' s database, and also recently found the names of Nobel laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and several family members on the Mormon list."None of the three names were submitted for baptism and they would not have been under the Church' s guidelines and procedures," said Mr Purdy, the Mormon Church spokesman said.Rabbi Cooper said any further discussion of the problem was useless."The only way such insensitive practices would finally stop is if church leaders finally decided to change their practices and policies on posthumous baptisms, a move which this latest outrage proves that they are unwilling to do," he said.The Catholic Church has also objected to posthumous baptisms of its members.
Asher and Rosa Rapp Wiesenthal were baptised in proxy ceremonies by church members in the US states of Arizona and Utah in January, records show.
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints spokesman Michael Purdy said the Church' s leaders "sincerely regret" the actions of "an individual member".
The Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center denounced the news.
"We are outraged that such insensitive actions continue in the Mormon temples," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, a spokesman at the centre.
The Mormon religion allows baptism after death, and believes the departed soul can then accept or reject the baptismal rites.
An agreement in 1995 was supposed to ban the practice of baptising by proxy Holocaust victims, after it was discovered the names of hundreds of thousands of those who died had been entered into Mormon records.
Simon Wiesenthal's parents are long since deceased, with his father dying in World War I and his mother perishing in the Holocaust.
Wiesenthal himself died in 2005 after surviving the Holocaust and dedicating his life to documenting Nazi crimes and hunting down perpetrators.'Serious breach'
Mr Purdy told the Associated Press news agency that the church considered the act "a serious breach of our protocol".
According to Mr Purdy, the names of the Wiesenthal family were simply entered into a genealogical database by one person.
"We have suspended indefinitely this person's ability to access our genealogy records," he said.
The name of that individual or the individuals who performed the rite were not released.
Evidence that Wiesenthal's parents had been baptised was found by Helen Radkey, a researcher and former Mormon, AP reported.
She regularly checks the Church' s database, and also recently found the names of Nobel laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel and several family members on the Mormon list.
"None of the three names were submitted for baptism and they would not have been under the Church' s guidelines and procedures," said Mr Purdy, the Mormon Church spokesman said.
Rabbi Cooper said any further discussion of the problem was useless.
"The only way such insensitive practices would finally stop is if church leaders finally decided to change their practices and policies on posthumous baptisms, a move which this latest outrage proves that they are unwilling to do," he said.
The Catholic Church has also objected to posthumous baptisms of its members.
I had no idea they did this. It's seriously fucked up.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
Baptisms for the dead, or specifically for Holocaust victims?
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
this is a very well-known practice of the church fwiw, people have been complaining about it for decades
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdiZOsHOG6o
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
the, uh, epistemological, metaphysical, and theological questions around how non-co-religionists could feel aggrieved by mormons baptizing their relatives seem... subtle.
― j., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
abbott - either!
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
really? a major religion (with its own presidential candidate and everything) is going through the ancestries of jewish families and claiming to convert and purify the souls of the dead so they can finally get into real heaven. i'm entirely unsurprised that people are outraged by this, and not just the descendents of the deceased. it's more a question of basic respect than of whether or not you believe mormons have magical post-mortem baptism powers.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
right, ethically, it seems pretty obviously bad (to the point that anyone doing it would have huge reservations, you would think). but if you're not mormon, then... do you think it could work somehow? and if you don't, then couldn't it also seem silly rather than offensive?
― j., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
let's not overlook the fact that it's a deliberate attempt to obscures/obfuscates actual family histories and increase the rolls of people that the church can claim to be Mormon.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
this could all be used against Romney, right?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
not really. this is a pretty well-worn grudge topic against the Mormons, it's not like this is anything new or that Romney's even involved
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah, it seems silly to me, but i can see as how others would be infuriated. never underestimate the ability of people to take offense.
re: j
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder if any of the souls ever decline to be baptized.
― j., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
They do temple marriages for the dead by proxy, too, but I don't think it's as on big of a scale. It's what my parents do on vacation!
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but when you're running for chance to run as republican candidate , where a lot of voters are evangelical christians, his enemies will stop at nothing to smear him, right? Tie him in with it and he could lose votes. Thats how politics works right?
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno. suspect that a lot of american voters know next to nothing abt mormonism. and lots of conservative voters are deeply religious. could see some uproar among the base at the idea that romney's minions might have secretly rebaptised the corpse of grampa joe.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
This was always my question –– I did hundreds of baptisms for the dead as a teeen. They have the option to decline, but if you're in this clearly Mormon construction of the afterlife, why would you choose to? Or do other faiths have recruiting efforts in Spirit Paradise (as they call it)? Never got an answer.
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
there should probably be an anti-romney scare site about this, tbh. "how mormons are trying to steal the souls of the christian dead" or somesuch, implying that your loved ones could be next.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure Romney had his atheist father-in-law baptized posthumously
― it's smdh time in America (will), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
suspect that a lot of american voters know next to nothing abt mormonism. and lots of conservative voters are deeply religious.
deeply religious conservative voters know PLENTY about the Mormon church, including (most likely) their penchant for posthumous baptisms, and the majority of these deeply religious conservative voters already have concluded that a) Mormons are not Christians and b) how that will impact their vote. This particular instance is not news to anybody in the American electorate, and will not make waves.
xp
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost it's only fair imo. i mean christ can you imagine if the shoe were on the other foot
― it's smdh time in America (will), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
catholics'l' take you right up to the actual time of death but tbh once you're gone you're gone
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
you've got a lot more faith in the depth of religious education enjoyed by most americans than i do, shakey...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
this is seriously not news to anyone who follows Christian theology in America. GOP Xtian primary voters have already made up their minds as to how they feel about Romney and his Mormonism - some will undoubtedly refuse to vote for him and that will be one of the reasons, others will find plenty of other reasons not to vote for him. And some will vote for him anyway and say it doesn't matter.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
re: abbott
well, sure, your own planet sounds awesome, but people are always declining salvation in all the other religions too. i guess if they never built 'finding out whether the soul really wants it' into the baptism ceremonies then the default answer is, no, they don't really concern themselves with that possibility.
i'm imagining, like, a ceremony where you wait to see if a light goes on. or a candle burns out.
― j., Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
hey if it's good enough to choose a pope........
― beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
lol do you know what the biggest show on Broadway is this year? Do you know how much American evangelicals have had to say about the Mormon church over the years? Do you know how many Mormons are out there proselytizing about their religion to the general public on a daily basis? gimme a break.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
if even a small percentage of conservative/independent voters were repelled by this, it could make a huge difference in romney's chances overall. liberal and anti-romney religious leaders are seriously dropping the ball if they don't try to manufacture a big OUTRAGE! over this. libs get a pass, of course, if they'd rather see romney in the general...
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
if geo. lucas CGI'd your dead ancestor into phantom menace, there'd probably be some legal recourse, but would there really be any in this case? I suspect a lot of the offense is amplified by there being no other deterrent.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
no one will manufacture a big outrage over this because it is not news.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
also directly impugning anyone's religion is reaaaaaallly treacherous territory politically - which is why, so far, most of the evangelicals who actively hate Mormons and don't consider them Christians have, for the most part, kept quiet about this small bigotry. Romney has plenty of other liabilities ripe for exploitation, no need to lay any landmines re: his religion.
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Do you know how many Mormons are out there proselytizing about their religion to the general public on a daily basis? gimme a break.
i bet one in five americans don't really know how an internal combustion engine works. i bet a substantial number don't know anything about catholic or mormon doctrine. whether or not such people vote is a fair question, but i don't see any reason to throw away an opportunity to foment OUTRAGE! against romney and the creepy cult from which he sprang. if obama's church were doing something similar, would conservatives seize upon it and make a big stinking deal about it? hell yeah they would.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
why isn't anyone trying to tear David Archuleta's career into shreds over this, I ask
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
there's probably nutters on fox news comments doing exactly what shakey says wont happen, and on other websites. These guys will go loooooow as they can to get their message out.
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
here's a piece from SEVEN YEARS AGO detailing evangelicals well-established antipathy towards Mormons
― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link
if obama's church were doing something similar, would conservatives seize upon it and make a big stinking deal about it? hell yeah they would.
damn right
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link
was that card ever played against Harry Reid?
― high five delivery device (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link