discovery channel has been runnin tim treadwell's video as "grizzly man diaries", i've tivo'd a pile of them and am curious to watch
― I spilled, saucer-eyed, into the Tonetta fanclub underground. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
saw land of silence & darkness for the first time recently, its great
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 19 December 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I still haven't seen, but have access to:
Where the Green Ants DreamThe Wild Blue YonderWheel of Time
any of 'em essential viewing?
― Simon H., Sunday, 19 December 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
None of them are what I'd call essential...would maybe choose "Green Ants" but "The Wild Blue Yonder" is probably the worst of his that I've seen, though I haven't seen "Invincible".
― Death Cabron For Cutie (admrl), Monday, 20 December 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i love wheel of time
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 20 December 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/browbeat/archive/2011/04/28/great-moments-in-werner-herzog-voiceovers.aspx
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Saw "Cave Of Forgotten Dreams" in 3D last night. Was pretty amazing. I went with someone who'd already seen it in 2D and she said it was a totally different experience. It really feels like you are in these caves. It's pretty incredible. He uses a mix of lo-fi and hi-fi video, which is great, because it sounds like they were only allowed in the caves a very limited time. You have a number of different ways of looking at them. The 3D reproductions of the ancient sculpture art was jaw-dropping. The spear-throwing demonstration was great, and kind of funny as a nod to 3D gimmickry. But completely appropriate for the movie!
Caveat: Some of the 3D was terrible (but these parts only lasted a few seconds usually), and at some parts I think he just toned down the 3D effect altogether. But I think the importance of the subject matter more than makes up for it, and I'd rather support innovative efforts in 3D documentary than something like Transformers 3D.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The ten uninterrupted minutes that he lets you spend just in the cave, slowly looking around, MUST be seen in 3D.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
i saw it in 3d and 2d and the 3d vers is way better
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
though to be honest, by the end i was really worn out on the lingering slow pans of the cave paintings
Maybe you saw it one too many times.
― DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
well tbh i walked out of the 2d version like 25 mins in and asked for my money back
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
caves > paintings
― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the stuff where they were showing like the calcified cave floor was great
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Plus the calcified bear skulls.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
this movie was mostly enthralling, as much despite as because of werner herzog.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
by this movie i mean 'cave of forgotten dreams'
sick of herzog's flaky mouth-agape psuedo-philosophizing.
'tell me how you discovered the cave.'
'well, we were scaling this cliff when--'
'is this where the human soul was born?'
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
some of that stuff was hilarious though, so i think it worked out.
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
it was def lol in 'encounters at the end of the world' too
― am0n, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
'can penguins become insane' *reclusive autist penguinologist grows visibly agitated by question*
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:49 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
that's true, but i was enjoying it in a way i don't think herzog intended.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
can penguins become insane' *reclusive autist penguinologist grows visibly agitated by question*
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:53 PM
was srsly dying in the theater when he was talking about the penguin wandering off-course to suicide
― am0n, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7kdDeGXUjI
― am0n, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
that ridiculous music.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno. i think a guy who puts an iguana in a nic cage movie for no good reason* can't be said to have lost his sense of humor about himself just yet.
*or makes a nic cage movie period.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
re. enjoying it in a way herzog didnt intend.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
true, but whether self-conscious or not, the 'wernor herzog persona' definitely rubs weirdly against the other aspects of his documentaries
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i would be honestly shocked to discover that humor wasnt his main intention with most of this stuff
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
he was very funny at the q+a i saw him do this past weekend. favorite quote: "i'm not very teutonic, i'm much more bavarian"
― badtz-maruizm (donna rouge), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm going in the wrong direction by this. i'm entertained by his silly persona and questions, but half the time watching his recent movies i think, 'wouldn't a pbs-style doc on this topic be just as good and twice as informative?'
don't feel this way about most of dude's films, just a few recent ones.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i do agree the "straight doc" style clashes oddly with the "oh that's just nutty ol' werner" persona. his older docs seemed less...professional? by which i mean closer to the vibe of his fiction films.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the newer ones are like someone hiring godard to do voiceovers for 60s network tv news docs or something
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i mean, maybe twice as informative, and probably twice as boring (to me) - i need a little kookiness to keep me awake during some dry documentary about ancient dudes scribbling on walls
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
see that shit is fascinating! i would have liked to know more about what he know about the cultures of these prehistoric communities, what the land was like then, etc. you know, traditional explication. because if the tradeoff is just getting to hear herzog ask questions about the soul of man etc. i mean i feel like i'm not really getting my money's worth.
fwiw land of silence and darkness is one of the most powerful and unsettling films i've ever seen. it's also beautifully constructed, which you couldn't say about the recent films, which structurally speaking are all over the place. one other reason i don't find them very satisfying.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
what WE know
Was mad when I found out the theater I went to (BAM Rose) did NOT have 3D.
Anyway, I mostly liked this. Cliched thing to say about him, I guess, but he seems to be almost as interested in the people who are interested in the subject matter as he is in the subject matter (or, occasionally, interested in being bored by them -- e.g. the hilarious hand-pan away from the perfumist when he started digressing about his own dull personal achievements).
Parallels to Grizzly Man in this way, although he's far less derisive of the scientist studying the cave than of Timothy Treadwell (probably because cave paintings don't eat people). He's sort of a fallen romantic -- he doesn't believe in things but he is still reluctantly excited by other people who believe in things.
― mike and the quantum mechanics (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw this in a room with Herzog - he's v. aware of his humor. he's a funny dude.
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 June 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Might as well post this here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3xFZ0A15Bg
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 16 June 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
oh boy, ppl looking for "informative" filmmaking.
yeah, when this happened at the Film Forum I comforted myself with "Complacent hipster dicks are doing it in other cities, I bet."
― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
was srsly dying in the theater when he was talking about the penguin wandering off-course to suicide.
were you at my Tree of Life screening? hate you ppl.
― circa1916, Thursday, 16 June 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:46 PM Bookmark
There was definitely a moment like this in the Cave of Forgotten Dreams showing I was at -- something he said that sounded extremely self-serious but just made everyone lose it. Wish i could remember the line.
― mike and the quantum mechanics (Hurting 2), Thursday, 16 June 2011 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
this bit was hilarious and i assumed it was supposed to be. love herzog, but dude cracks me up.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 16 June 2011 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I really don't get being mad at people who chuckle at Herzog - it's a totally understandable reaction. fight the real theater enemy - talkers and texters.
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 June 2011 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:15 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
i watch his docs half for the subject matter, half for the filmmaking, and half for the persona. films like little dieter needs to fly, grizzly man and encounters at the end of the world are at least as much about herzog as they are their ostensible subjects. and all the better for it!
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Thursday, 16 June 2011 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
for sure
love "lessons of darkness" too
― You Post on ILX (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 June 2011 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I really don't get being mad at people who chuckle at Herzog
I'm not talking about 'chuckling' but rolling waves of guffaws to rival a Laurel & Hardy audience.
― already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 June 2011 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 16 June 2011 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
this bit was hilarious and i assumed it was supposed to be.
nothing funnier than cute animals dying a sad and lonely death.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 16 June 2011 12:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't laugh at that bit because I identified too much with the penguin. ;_;
― emil.y, Thursday, 16 June 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't laugh much at Laurel & Hardy. Herzog is funnier!
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link