Hey, what do you know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDdfD8nHbok
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh wow--makes me nostalgic for Yonge St. circa 1979.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
That 3D effect never gets old
― The Decline of British Cat Power (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 December 2010 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
kael was actually not 'cranky' about hawks, she loved all the classic ones and even praised some of them (like 'bringing up baby,' which i think she compared to restoration comedy) rather extravagantly. i don't think i'm the one to mount a formalist defense of his movies but the original 'scarface' has some great long shots, and is beautifully stylized right down to the performances -- definitely a lot there to talk about. the rambling, discursive, seemingly half-improvised nature of a lot of his movies appeals to me, and gives them a very distinctive flavor that you don't find in any other movies of the period. ('to have and have not' has basically the same plot and setting as 'casablanca,' but their tone couldn't be more different.)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 20 December 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it because Jean Arthur is so annoying?
To hell w/ you
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 07:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm lost. My only point is, I think Walsh is absolutely considered an auteur in the original sense--by Sarris, by the French, by all the first-generation auteurists. Every bit as much as Cukor.― clemenza, Monday, December 20, 2010 3:27 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
― clemenza, Monday, December 20, 2010 3:27 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah this was the starting point for 'circles and squares'. kael pointed out that all sarris had done was see a similarity between two mediocre (at best) walsh movies. i don't trust the first generation auteurists. they weren't good critics; they had a cloistered fanboy outlook on the world; and the movies they championed were frequently uninteresting unless you're tuned in to their obscurantist wavelength, which KJB is, i guess -- that or he's just challopping.
though historically important, during the silent period, walsh is hardly in the same rank, as an artist, as, well, david lean, to go for a random director they didn't talk about. or huston, who they hated. or elia kazan -- did they even talk about him?
perhaps if i saw all one hundred of his movies i'd disagree, but it's unlikely.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 20 December 2010 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I detect similarities between Walsh, Lean, Huston and Kazan. I'm uninterested in all of them.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Monday, 20 December 2010 09:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i like 1940s lean, some huston, some kazan... i think i've enjoyed some films directed by raoul walsh but there isn't the time to spend on him
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 20 December 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link
glad you two could bond over the unimportance of Raoul Walsh; I will continue to neglect post-'50s horror shit.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a big-tent guy. (In theory--in practice, I spend way too much time re-watching my favorite films to ever get to a lot of stuff I should watch.) I want them all in there: Hawks, Walsh, Preminger, Ray, etc., but also Lean, Zinneman, Kazan--especially Kazan--Huston, etc. Everything and everybody. Except costume dramas and Inland Empire--they get turned away at the door.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Eric, you sure are incurious about butch filmmakers for a guy who climbs rocks regularly.
(not a drug reference btw)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Kael was wrong about Capra and Sirk, but I don't think that was any reaction to auteurism, it was more her personality and what she perceived as sentimentality.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
She liked several Capra movies though, and was at best tolerant of Sirk.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
The only Capra I can think of that she liked was The Bitter Tea of General Yen--were there others? I know she recoiled from the big populist ones. She had that great line on Wonderful Life (paraphrase): "No one has Capra's gift for sentimentality--and you find anybody who does, kill him."
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I had the general thrust of the line right, but the wrong film--it was Mr. Smith.
"No one else can balance the ups and downs of wistful sentiment and corny humour the way Capra does--but if anyone else should learn to, kill him."
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
The fate of the world depends upon clarifying this...Kael seemed to like Capra right up to and including Mr. Deeds (especially It Happened One Night); after that, not much at all. Don't know about You Can't Take It with You, though--no entry in 5001 Nights.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
More Top Fives!
Hitch
1. Rear Window2. Rebecca3. Rope4. Frenzy5. Under Capricorn
Ray
1. Johnny Guitar2. The Lusty Men3. On Dangerous Ground4. Rebel With A Cause5. The Savage Innocents
Sirk
1. Imitation of Life2. All That Heaven Allows3. There's Always Tomorrow4. Magnificent Obsession5. Written on the Wind
Capra1. The Bitter Tea of General Yenand um maybe...2. Dirigible?Just don't get him.
Walsh I don't quite get either. Many of his films left little impression on me so his oeuvre is no longer a priority. But I dug:A Distant TrumpetPursuedMe and My Gal and I have a soft spot for the classic turkey The Horn Blows at Midnight
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't even consider Walsh that important. He made a couple of good films.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
3. Rope4. Frenzy5. Under Capricorn
Wow.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i saw U/C under the best conditions, and it's a bust
couple nice camera moves
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Poor Raoul Walsh. It's been ages since I saw They Drive By Night, but I remember it as being really good.'
Can't wait to see this director's cut of Rebel with a Cause!
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
frenzy is the weird R-rated british one with titties right
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like white heat is better than anything preminger or sirk ever did but w/e
― Princess TamTam, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
not that ive seen everything preminger or sirk ever did!
Kev, thou iconoclast, dissing In a Lonely Place.
I remember The Horn Blows at Midnight being kinda funny! At least if you love Benny.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
God--how could I forget White Heat? I think I'd take that over even my favorite Hitchcock or Hawks film, and way before anything by Ray, Sirk, or Preminger.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah I've talked about In a Lonely Place somewhere here before - saw it early in cinephilia and loved it, saw it later and couldn't access what I first saw in it. Maybe in another ten years, it'll hit me again.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Fwiw as much as I love me some auteurism, I've bumped heads with other, perhaps more hardline auteurists for pumping, say, Joan Crawford as an auteurist or for questioning the director as the ultimate/only source for what winds up on screen/in speakers. There's been tons of terrific work taking other personnel as auteurs, e.g., Christina Lane, "Stepping Out From Behind The Grand Silhouette: Joan Harrison's Films of the 1940s" in Authorship and Film, eds. David Gerstner and Janet Staiger (in fact, that entire collection is good for poking holes in the auteur theory). It's not the ONLY lens through which I view the entirety of cinema.
Also, the auteur theory shares a great deal with genre theory so I don't see what the big deal is apart from the fact that genre theory makes some people cranky as well. You approach the oeuvres Ford or Hawks or whoever as if they were genres, figuring out how the oeuvre/genre works (just like those Ford and Hawks communities!), looking for themes and variations, discovering ways to complicate the categories, etc. And genre theory means you get to watch even more movies!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
The Roaring Twenties > White Heat
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm much more inclined to think of "Joan Crawford pictures" than I am arguing whether Curtiz or Walsh are directors who deserve credit for their movies' successes.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
haha Joan Crawford as an auteur, that should be
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Joan wrote a very systematic analysis of William K Howard films for Modern Screen
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I like White Heat, but might actually prefer High Sierra.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Actual lolz. Had to look up William K Howard too. Ahead of her time, that Joan.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
For the record, Joan thought Johnny Guitar was one of the worst movies she ever did.
― benanas foster (Eric H.), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
She did indeed, most likely because she hated Mercedes McCambridge who received spontaneous on set applause after one of her scenes which sent Crawford into a clothes-ripping rage.
Crawford also hated Rain because it was her first big flop. But it's her greatest performance.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
You know who hates <i?Johnny Guitar[/i]? Bogdanovich. When he spoke in Toronto recently, he ridiculed it no fewer than three times in an hour. I like the film, but his digs were actually quite funny.
― clemenza, Monday, 20 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't care for the film either, and I've watched it four times.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Just found out about this:
http://www.amazon.com/Pauline-Kael-Life-Brian-Kellow/dp/0670023124/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309555150&sr=1-4
It comes out Oct. 27.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 July 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
Struggling to see how it could be as entertaining as Sontag & Kael.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
Also just saw LOA is releasing a Kael collection, and I guess I don't know how it could be that diff from For Keeps.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
I liked Sontag & Kael a lot, but if the writer's good, I think this'll be great. It'll fill in lots that I don't know about her life pre-"Circles and Squares" (I know next to nothing), and, I would hope, would dive right into all the Kael/Sarris/Simon/Macdonald sniping through the '60s. I'm counting the days.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 July 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
would prefer if Brian Fellows wrote a book on Kael
― how many sb'ings do you have? (buzza), Friday, 1 July 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Dwight Garner's too brief reevaluation of Hooked, my second favorite Kael collection.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 July 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
From the piece above: "wondering what she’d say if she were alive to weigh in on, say, Black Swan or The Social Network. (I suspect she’d have smacked both around, while finding things to enjoy about David Fincher and Aaron Sorkin’s work in the Facebook movie.)"
"What would Kael think?" follows me in and out of every movie theatre. I think the guy's right about The Social Network--my guess is she would have loved Timberlake most of all.
― clemenza, Saturday, 16 July 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
She would've said that Mara Rooney was like the new Roz Russell or something.
― ephendophile (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 July 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
Todd McCarthy's review of the new bio (some dish about her early life via the book, and TMc's own).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pauline-kael-a-life-dark-243280
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
The Library of American edition is redundant if you already own For Keeps.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Even to close friends, Pauline revealed little about her early family life. Many did not even know she was Jewish
find this hard to believe!
doesnt sound like there's much new info in that bio
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
The comment by one "Terry" has made me curious about Penelope Gilliatt's crit; she wrote the Sunday Bloody Sunday screenplay.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link