But from the season 2 sceptic point of view, the joy of TP is its really uncanny manipulation, stretching and reshaping of the cheese for non-rational effects, and there's a lot less of that iirc.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 23 December 2010 11:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't agree - it's far more saturated with soap plots than S1:
Nadine and MikeJames and EvelynBobby and Shelly with Leo in a wheelchair Donna and HaroldBen Horne and the civil warLeland's obbession with musicM.T WentzMr TojamuraGordon Cole and Shelly
― progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Only James and Evelyn isn't great, from that list!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Donna and Harold a bit dumb too I'll grant...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
The subplots are hit or miss for me--I've never really thought of them in terms of season one and season two. Nadine/Mike, James/Evelyn, and Ben's Civil War obsession, those ones I didn't like at all; Gordon Cole and Shelly I loved, plus some others not listed. I don't remember M.T. Wentz at all--was that the character played by Sue Ellen Mischke?
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
wentz was the food critic, never shown on camera iirc. sue ellen was eckhardts bodyguard.
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
wentz turned out to be shelley's mother iirc
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Now I remember Wentz. Not Shelly's mother--Norma's.
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
The black lodge stuff in the last episode is some of the scariest, most mind-warping television I've ever seen. But even with that episode I didn't really like the conclusion -- I didn't mind the loose ends, but I didn't buy the outcome with Dale Cooper.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, December 23, 2010 1:46 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
kinda think if you didn't buy the outcome with Cooper you aren't appreciating the nature of Bob
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I bought the ending, I just found it disappointing. Cooper was such a stalwart throughout, such a paragon of virtue. That probably means the ending was very effective if it got to me on that level.
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
log lady looks exactly the same! how????
born old
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't buy cooper as a paragon of virtue. he joined a vigilante group! ultimately the town ate him.
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the ending casts such a perfect dark shadow over the whole series, the zany second season leading into it just makes it that much more of a punch in the gut
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:30 (8 minutes ago)
I think there was some discussion of this above, but I really feel like the nature of Bob shifts in a disappointing way after the revelation of the murderer of Laura Palmer. Through that point, Bob is metaphorically a way of dealing with the sort of unprocessable horror of people who do things like rape their own daughters. I understand maybe there's also a theme in the show that all people have a certain kind of evil desire in them, but the whole deal-with-the-devil for annie's life thing doesn't really speak to this. I get that Bob is supernatural, but even supernatural things have rules to play by.
Also about the cheese being part of the show, I think it works much better when Lynch's imprint is felt than when it's not. The first season, even the episodes not directed by him, felt like part of a single vision. Toward the end of the second season it started to feel like the writers were completely at sea and had no idea what the show was.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:50 AM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah, agree with this 100%, but i think the way he ended it was about as close as he could come to redeeming the second season.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
it had become a wacky clown train running off the tracks and he just threw down a giant black wall to halt it
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I felt that. It was like Lynch suddenly came home and the kids had so destroyed the house that he was just like, "fuck it, we're moving."
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
of all the dopey S2 subplots, Ben Horne and the civil war is easily my favorite. kinda wish there were whole episodes of it lol
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
ben horne is kind of my favorite thing about all of season 2 really, the civil war but also him keeping carrots in his pockets
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah he's just one of the best characters hands down - every scene he's in is fun
― twat dust and ego overload (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 December 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― portrait of velleity (woof)
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2)
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar...
i clearly need to revisit season two as it's been quite some time, but from what i do recall, these ilxors otm. especially love woof's point about, "uncanny manipulation, stretching and reshaping of the cheese for non-rational effects." in the first season, there's a distinctly lynch-like tension between stilted oddness, deadpan comedy and inexplicable dread. as twin peaks progressed, though, that animating tension drained away and the show seemed to settle for aimless, self-referential wackiness as an end in itself. i found it alternately grating and charming, but it had none of the spark of the first season's best episodes - to say nothing of the stunning final episode.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc98opkegw1qbz1oko1_500.gif
― ilx get on my lvl (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
In the first season, there's a distinctly lynch-like tension between stilted oddness, deadpan comedy and inexplicable dread.
Yeah, this. And I feel like that tension in a way is what the show is about, because it conveys a sense of something not quite right and something otherworldly beneath the mundane surface of the town.
― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 December 2010 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
FWWM is devastating. it's something that i want to watch again and again, but it scares the hell out of me.
― a no-fault dick to suck. (the table is the table), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
im watching "may the giant be with you" for prob the first time in 15 yrs -- coop sounds like lol larry king:
At a time like this, curiously, you begin to think of the things youregret, or the things you might miss. I would like in general to treat people with much more care and respect. I would like to climb a tall hill, but not too tall, sit in the cool grass, but not too cool, and feel the sun on my face. I wish I could have cracked the Lindbergh kidnapping case. I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had a genuine affection for. And of course it goes without saying that I would like to visit Tibet. I wish that the Tibetan government would allow the Dalai Lama to return to his native land.Oh, I would like that very much.
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dvxz0uZ-1bI/TYaCbzTRFbI/AAAAAAAAAFg/pyY7bHLeNSU/s1600/RB+TP+43.jpg
― caek, Monday, 21 March 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hrq1YU3eOvU/TYaIisGtnzI/AAAAAAAAAGQ/T6lZox-X1Hg/s1600/RB+TP+15.jpg
― caek, Monday, 21 March 2011 04:49 (thirteen years ago) link
All things considered, being shot is not as bad as I always thought it might be. As long as you can keep the fear from your mind. I guess you could say that about most anything in life. It's not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 21 March 2011 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://inthetreesartpreview.blogspot.com/2011/03/photography-by-richard-beymer.html
― caek, Monday, 21 March 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Man, there's some creepy photos there.
― Tuomas, Monday, 21 March 2011 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link
First season? Classic. Second season? Mostly dud.
― avant-sarsgaard (litel), Monday, 21 March 2011 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KYTqpprB7AY/TVOhbmzZD_I/AAAAAAAAAA8/M9dx9LrPltE/s1600/ConcentratingOnTheJs-copy.jpg
― zappi, Saturday, 2 April 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
where is that from? I'd totally buy a print of that for my TP-crazy gf.
― Clay, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Now streaming on Netflix.
― Chris L, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
oh snap! xD
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 2 April 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry Clay, forgot the link.picture is from the Twin Peaks 20th Anniversary Art Exhibitionthere's also some merchandise - do not click if you are poor/weak-willed
― zappi, Saturday, 2 April 2011 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
oli fuk i want to buy all those
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 2 April 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
shockingly, i've never watched this show. really should get around to it.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 2 April 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i got a new shirt!
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217508_10150557577610305_673235304_17772119_601911_n.jpg
― caek, Thursday, 7 April 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^jealous
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Thanks for the links above - Chris Mars, former drummer for the Replacements has art for sale for that anniversary exhibition and all the pieces look great.
― BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 7 April 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ARGGG why didnt i think of this???
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/black-lodge-pixel-art-785x523.jpghttp://welcometotwinpeaks.com/inspiration/twin-peaks-video-game-pixels/
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 13 June 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
― caek, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
haha i already posted that
― caek, Sunday, 24 July 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
they are very much in love/ I am watching it on netflix streaming now - I wonder how much of TP is David Frost and how much is Lynch
― Hot Tub Timelord (Latham Green), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Lynch thought of the donuts, everything else was Frost.
― an excellent source of vitamins and minerals (WmC), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 14:47 (twelve years ago) link
just watched both seasons back to back. loved that corny soap-opera manipulation stuff. comically (and uncharacteristically?) pacey throughout. donna's immac-ed skin. andy & lucy & dick tremaine - spectacular. couldn't have cared less about old man packard and the CPU guy from tron. josie getting trapped in the doorknob was surprisingly & affectingly freaky. sheriff truman's sub-keanu acting pretty amazing in the worst way. coop & truman getting tanked up every time at the roadhouse or wherever they are meeting prior to doing some angela lansbury i-ching deduction. awful awful awful billy zane / audrey horne "romance" with scriptwriter wish-fulfiment consummation. x-files rubbish white lodge / alien abduction scooby doo nonsense. windom earl (where did they get that spelling?) amazingly hammy cartoon villain. IMO it is still, to this day unparalleled, despite flaws.
― iglu ferrignu, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
I really, really disagree that Michael Ontkean's performance is "sub-Keanu."
― Jouster, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
that's crazy, Ontkean was great in this
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
"uhh - josie"
― iglu ferrignu, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link