Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

wentz turned out to be shelley's mother iirc

Now I remember Wentz. Not Shelly's mother--Norma's.

The black lodge stuff in the last episode is some of the scariest, most mind-warping television I've ever seen. But even with that episode I didn't really like the conclusion -- I didn't mind the loose ends, but I didn't buy the outcome with Dale Cooper.

― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, December 23, 2010 1:46 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

kinda think if you didn't buy the outcome with Cooper you aren't appreciating the nature of Bob

I bought the ending, I just found it disappointing. Cooper was such a stalwart throughout, such a paragon of virtue. That probably means the ending was very effective if it got to me on that level.

log lady looks exactly the same! how????

born old

i don't buy cooper as a paragon of virtue. he joined a vigilante group! ultimately the town ate him.

the ending casts such a perfect dark shadow over the whole series, the zany second season leading into it just makes it that much more of a punch in the gut

kinda think if you didn't buy the outcome with Cooper you aren't appreciating the nature of Bob

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:30 (8 minutes ago)

I think there was some discussion of this above, but I really feel like the nature of Bob shifts in a disappointing way after the revelation of the murderer of Laura Palmer. Through that point, Bob is metaphorically a way of dealing with the sort of unprocessable horror of people who do things like rape their own daughters. I understand maybe there's also a theme in the show that all people have a certain kind of evil desire in them, but the whole deal-with-the-devil for annie's life thing doesn't really speak to this. I get that Bob is supernatural, but even supernatural things have rules to play by.

Also about the cheese being part of the show, I think it works much better when Lynch's imprint is felt than when it's not. The first season, even the episodes not directed by him, felt like part of a single vision. Toward the end of the second season it started to feel like the writers were completely at sea and had no idea what the show was.

Also about the cheese being part of the show, I think it works much better when Lynch's imprint is felt than when it's not. The first season, even the episodes not directed by him, felt like part of a single vision. Toward the end of the second season it started to feel like the writers were completely at sea and had no idea what the show was.

― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2), Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:50 AM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah, agree with this 100%, but i think the way he ended it was about as close as he could come to redeeming the second season.

it had become a wacky clown train running off the tracks and he just threw down a giant black wall to halt it

Yeah, I felt that. It was like Lynch suddenly came home and the kids had so destroyed the house that he was just like, "fuck it, we're moving."

of all the dopey S2 subplots, Ben Horne and the civil war is easily my favorite. kinda wish there were whole episodes of it lol

ben horne is kind of my favorite thing about all of season 2 really, the civil war but also him keeping carrots in his pockets

yeah he's just one of the best characters hands down - every scene he's in is fun

But from the season 2 sceptic point of view, the joy of TP is its really uncanny manipulation, stretching and reshaping of the cheese for non-rational effects, and there's a lot less of that iirc.

― portrait of velleity (woof)

Also about the cheese being part of the show, I think it works much better when Lynch's imprint is felt than when it's not. The first season, even the episodes not directed by him, felt like part of a single vision. Toward the end of the second season it started to feel like the writers were completely at sea and had no idea what the show was.

― I can take a youtube that's seldom seen, flip it, now it's a meme (Hurting 2)

it had become a wacky clown train running off the tracks and he just threw down a giant black wall to halt it

― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar...

i clearly need to revisit season two as it's been quite some time, but from what i do recall, these ilxors otm. especially love woof's point about, "uncanny manipulation, stretching and reshaping of the cheese for non-rational effects." in the first season, there's a distinctly lynch-like tension between stilted oddness, deadpan comedy and inexplicable dread. as twin peaks progressed, though, that animating tension drained away and the show seemed to settle for aimless, self-referential wackiness as an end in itself. i found it alternately grating and charming, but it had none of the spark of the first season's best episodes - to say nothing of the stunning final episode.

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In the first season, there's a distinctly lynch-like tension between stilted oddness, deadpan comedy and inexplicable dread.

Yeah, this. And I feel like that tension in a way is what the show is about, because it conveys a sense of something not quite right and something otherworldly beneath the mundane surface of the town.

FWWM is devastating. it's something that i want to watch again and again, but it scares the hell out of me.

im watching "may the giant be with you" for prob the first time in 15 yrs -- coop sounds like lol larry king:

At a time like this, curiously, you begin to think of the things you
regret, or the things you might miss. I would like in general to treat people with much more care and respect. I would like to climb a tall hill, but not too tall, sit in the cool grass, but not too cool, and feel the sun on my face. I wish I could have cracked the Lindbergh kidnapping case. I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had a genuine affection for. And of course it goes without saying that I would like to visit Tibet. I wish that the Tibetan government would allow the Dalai Lama to return to his native land.
Oh, I would like that very much.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dvxz0uZ-1bI/TYaCbzTRFbI/AAAAAAAAAFg/pyY7bHLeNSU/s1600/RB+TP+43.jpg

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All things considered, being shot is not as bad as I always thought it might be. As long as you can keep the fear from your mind. I guess you could say that about most anything in life. It's not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.

http://inthetreesartpreview.blogspot.com/2011/03/photography-by-richard-beymer.html

Man, there's some creepy photos there.

First season? Classic. Second season? Mostly dud.

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where is that from? I'd totally buy a print of that for my TP-crazy gf.

Now streaming on Netflix.

oh snap! xD

sorry Clay, forgot the link.
picture is from the Twin Peaks 20th Anniversary Art Exhibition
there's also some merchandise - do not click if you are poor/weak-willed

oli fuk i want to buy all those

shockingly, i've never watched this show. really should get around to it.

i got a new shirt!

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217508_10150557577610305_673235304_17772119_601911_n.jpg

^^^jealous

Thanks for the links above - Chris Mars, former drummer for the Replacements has art for sale for that anniversary exhibition and all the pieces look great.

ARGGG why didnt i think of this???

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/black-lodge-pixel-art-785x523.jpg
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/inspiration/twin-peaks-video-game-pixels/

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dvxz0uZ-1bI/TYaCbzTRFbI/AAAAAAAAAFg/pyY7bHLeNSU/s1600/RB+TP+43.jpg

haha i already posted that

they are very much in love/ I am watching it on netflix streaming now - I wonder how much of TP is David Frost and how much is Lynch

Lynch thought of the donuts, everything else was Frost.

just watched both seasons back to back. loved that corny soap-opera manipulation stuff. comically (and uncharacteristically?) pacey throughout. donna's immac-ed skin. andy & lucy & dick tremaine - spectacular. couldn't have cared less about old man packard and the CPU guy from tron. josie getting trapped in the doorknob was surprisingly & affectingly freaky. sheriff truman's sub-keanu acting pretty amazing in the worst way. coop & truman getting tanked up every time at the roadhouse or wherever they are meeting prior to doing some angela lansbury i-ching deduction. awful awful awful billy zane / audrey horne "romance" with scriptwriter wish-fulfiment consummation. x-files rubbish white lodge / alien abduction scooby doo nonsense. windom earl (where did they get that spelling?) amazingly hammy cartoon villain. IMO it is still, to this day unparalleled, despite flaws.

I really, really disagree that Michael Ontkean's performance is "sub-Keanu."

that's crazy, Ontkean was great in this

"uhh - josie"

"From now on, you smoke one brand of cigarettes!"

Leo is so great. I love that his rage centers around cleaning and laundry.
And that his final line before leaving Shelly to die in the mill fire is "You broke my heart!"

Leo is an all-time great villain

just zero redeeming qualities, all sub-alpha male macho rage 24/7

his unfinished house that doesn't even have walls

new shoes