WTF?: "Seinfeld"'s Michael 'Kramer' Richards in Weird-o-Rama Onstage Meltdown

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beVAd_jmovE

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Blount, don't align me with Nude Spock -- we're saying completely different things.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

jaymc: characterizing a situation is not the same as upholding a binary opposition! I know you must understand this, because you've described things before.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

blount you ever seen the crackers HISTORICAL SITE plaque behind the whole foods on ponce??? for real, its like under a magnolia tree next to a loading dock - i only found it while dumpster diving!!

― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

People call each other cracker all the time? I'm old and out of it.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I am going to start tearing my hair out. fucking high-speed internet connection.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

some ilxor is gonna get mad rich one day writing a book on the pathology of longtime message board users

That's like expecting Gilligan to some day make it off the island.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

ts: the white guy voice eddie murphy did in standup vs. birth of a nation vs. protocols of the elders of zion

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

but I've come to understand that somehow we're able to intuit motivations simply from behavior.

WTF. Now I want to shake you. How else do we intuit motivations? I'm not saying behavior and motivation are always inexorably linked, but are you suggesting that they never are? If someone in a car yells "N*gger!" at a black pedestrian, should we not intuit motivation from that behavior? And if we shouldn't, doesn't that suggest that we as a society should excuse harmful behavior if we aren't sure what motivated it?

horseshoe, you are not taking crazy pills. I have otmmed you about 50 times but there were so many xposts in between that what I was otmming got lost in the shuffle.

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years

You've only been in the klan 7 years?

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker.

OK that's actually pretty funny. That being said, I have A) seen this B) heard a hilarious story about a woman calling two Asian friends of mine "crackers" at a nail salon.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"I've seen white kids calling each other nigga every day for the last 7 years, but I've never once seen a black man call another black man cracker."

?!?!

The stupidity on this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

nude spock you are making doom patrol roll over in his grave

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, it matters whose mouth is saying what to whom. White "wiggas" using the word amongst each other is different than blacks using it and most especially different than a white dude using it for a black dude while evoking the history of lynching.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen photos of whites gathered around black male youths hanging from trees but never seen photos of blacks gathered around white male youth hanging from trees. why are blacks so racist???

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The stupidity on this thread is seriously mind-boggling.

Fuckin' cracker.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, Jenny. like, how do you get through life if you don't intuit motivations from behavior?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Ambushed by unexpected douchepocalypse.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

why are there people like nude spock

― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Why on earth are you so interested in defending a dude who screams out about lynching and repeats the word "nigger" over and over again on stage, causing the entire audience to walk out?

I don't want to defend him, I don't even like him. I just don't want to call him a racist without knowing more. He did X, therefore he is Y and all Y are Z. Isn't that the same sort of thinking that led to lynchings in the first place?

The tape makes him look pretty guilty, but when I watched it appeared to me that the reaction was so outlandish something must have provoked it. I don't know what, but I noticed nobody's came up with any plausible motive for his behaviour except that he's a barely constrained dyed-in-the-wool racist who just had to see a black man to be tipped over the edge.

Perhaps that's true, but do you manage to hide it on stage every night for all these years?

stop responding to racist trolls like nude spock, stet
This is what I mean! Christ, if you're not in the majority knee-jerk must-be-racist camp, you are a racist? What?

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently a friend of mine once got so angry with a redneck who lived nextdoor to her that in the middle of an argument she burst out calling him a coon

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not saying behavior and motivation are always inexorably linked, but are you suggesting that they never are?

Of course not. I'm just saying I'm bothered by the confidence with which people are ascribing motivation in this scenario.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

same girl who brought me back racist salt and pepper shakers from her trip to memphis

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Beth OTM.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Dudes, if there are any 'extenuating circumstances' that couuld POSSIBLY acquit Michael Richards I'm sure they'll come out at some point. So far though anyone saying he's not racist is doing some serious reaching.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

WOW

― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Which one is nude spock? Also j blount and deej. as otm as horseshoe and Ally.

How should we ascribe motivation, John? If you can't get it from behavior, where shall we go to determine it?

― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i've seen photos of whites gathered around black male youths hanging from trees but never seen photos of blacks gathered around white male youth hanging from trees. why are blacks so racist???

jblount, may I call you zztop? Please explain to me the relevance of yesteryear.

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

you are a BAD troll! the mind boggles.

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO LET ALL THIS RIFF RAFF INTO TEH ROOM?

― Bob Geldof Saves Africa (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

(multi-xposts) I mean, it seems clear that dude had a serious wtf meltdown, but to say without a doubt that Richards is virulently racist to the core, that this incident exposes years of hidden, deep-seated racism on his part is just too much of a jump for me to make.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

step your troll game up son

― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past. - faulkner

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

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― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Please explain to me the relevance of yesteryear.

Well, son, let me tell you a little story.... It's called history.

― Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

So, the current must be even more alive, yes?

― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

So. . . yes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Jenny: Nude Spock = Bobby Ganush.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

COUNTDOWN TO REHAB ANNOUNCEMENT IN 10 . . . 9 . . .8 . . .

― J (Jay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread is so bizarre

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

how do you get through life if you don't intuit motivations from behavior?

Who tf cares what his motivation is? It's indifferent to me what flavor of racist he is, from common, garden variety clay-footed mere mortal to genocidal manaic. In this case, his behavior alone is contemptible and fatuous.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

How should we ascribe motivation, John? If you can't get it from behavior, where shall we go to determine it?

How about asking the person?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

, er, that he's a racist I mean.

― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"How about asking the person?"

Haha yeah cuz people are always honest about these things.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

M. White, that is basically what I think as well. And just because I don't care WHY he said it doesn't exactly mean I'm absolving someone who might've been trying to start a fight, either.

― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

which black comedian had/has the best white guy voice? pryor is the gold standard but my pick is eddie murphy

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"you say there's a... burning sensation?"

― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

How should we ascribe motivation, John? If you can't get it from behavior, where shall we go to determine it?

Our Father in Heaven. He knows what's in our Hearts.

― Noilly Prat (kenan), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

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