Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

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Mine is, supposedly. I might do that. I just sent off for the cheap Louis Theroux's Weird Weekends box set from Amazon.co.uk to test it out.

― marmotwolof, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic: Kyle McLachlan's finest work.

― Hard like armour, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, classic. David Duchovny's finest work.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Billy Zane's finest ... well ... Billy Zane is in it!

― HPSCHD, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, and let's not forget Van Dyke Parks.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 05:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Just You" scares me.

― clotpoll, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I sent for the S2 set tonight, threw in the box set of the early Marx Brothers movies as well. That's gonna be a fun week.

― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched the "japanese" DVD version of the pilot last night and it doesn't have the tack-on ending, nor any real color or sound definition. *eh*

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

oooh S2 just arrived.

it is happening again.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i have the (i think actually) korean version - its washed out, but wvs - i forgot about the alt-ending in UK, eff that.

― 69, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

What is the alternate ending? Go ahead and spoil me, I want you to.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Unless it is one of those wicked good Pete Martel lines like "rainbow trout took a likin' to my percolator", if so I want to be surprised.

― nickalicious, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The European version is 20 minutes longer than the TV pilot with a different ending added to bring closure to the story. Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Andy find BOB, who admits to Laura's murder, and then is shot by Mike, the one-armed man. The Red Room dream sequence that ends episode 3, where Cooper encounters the Little Man From Another Place and Laura Palmer, was originally shot for this film. Lynch was so happy with the material that he incorporated part of it into the second episode of the regular series (that is, the third episode shown in the U.S. including the pilot) as a dream Cooper has about the case.

― 69, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh the different ending basically renders the rest of the series "murder mystery" plot redundant/unnecessary.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

obviously I would prefer to have a proper DVD release of the US version.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Now, for those who have seen the series, but not the
"European" version of the pilot, here is a short description
of the added scenes:

- Sarah remembers seeing BOB crouching at the foot of
Laura's bed that morning. She screams and tells Leland what
she remembered.

- There is a scene of Lucy and Andy getting ready for bed
(!). Leland calls Lucy, tells her about Sarah's sudden
memory, and asks her where the Sheriff is. Lucy calls the
Sheriff in his cruiser. He tells her to have Hawk meet him
at the Palmer's house to make a sketch of the man Sarah
remembered.

- Agent Cooper, asleep in his hotel room, is awakened by the
phone. Mike, the one-armed man, is on the other end, and
tells Cooper that the man who killed Laura is at the
hospital. Then Lucy calls Cooper and tells him what is
happening at the Palmer house. Cooper asks Lucy to tell the
Sheriff to bring the sketch and meet him at the hospital.

- Cooper and the Sheriff find Mike at the hospital. Mike
recites the poem and his confession (from Cooper's dream in
episode #2). Cooper asks Mike to identify the killer from
the sketch. He does and tells them BOB is in the basement
of the hospital.

- They find BOB kneeling next to a circle of 12 burning
candles. He invites them in, asks if Mike is with them,
repeats some of the dialogue from Cooper's dream in episode
2, including "Catch you with my death bag".

- The Sheriff asks BOB what the letters were going to spell,
and BOB replies:

BOB: Robert. That's my proper name. Theresa's was with a
T.
Cooper: That's right.
BOB: You may think I've gone insane, but I promise you: I
will kill again!
Mike runs into room and yells: Like hell!

- Mike shoots BOB twice. BOB crumples to the floor. Mike
falls to the floor in agony.

- Cooper says "Make a wish" and the candles are blown out.

- Cut to the Red Room. Caption says: Twenty-five year later

- Rest of scene is identical to Red Room scene of Cooper's
dream in episode 2. As the Little Man dances, the end
credits run.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if there were any people who actually saw only this separate "film" made of the pilot episode, and what they thought of it.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

the UK box version of the pilot doesn't have the tacked on alternate ending, AFAIK.

― akm, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

THIS IS NOT TRUE. It is available as a region-free grey-area-legal DVD that was all over amazon up until a little while ago, for cheap. I had one. It was fine although not the best DVD ever made (I think it was sped up very, very slightly).

I have it; it's in what my friends not-so-affectionately call "flange-o-vision," since there is an audible wave encoding artifact that can be heard for the entire episode. "She'S DEad . . . WRAppED in plasTIC!" Pretty annoying, but whaddya gonna do?

― J, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, every time there's a music swell or drum track, it's like Electric Fucking Ladyland.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently there's a rumor of a complete US box by year end. No idea.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched the European version of the pilot, and despite the initial confusion of the ending, really enjoyed it for its Gothy creepiness. I can't imagine how it could render the rest of the series unnecessary, unless you lack imagination; the two different resolutions to the murder plot are essentially different animals that exist in different diegetic worlds, like one of those old Marvel "What if...?" stories.

― Leee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

awareness of massive plot inconsistencies/contradictions = "you lack imagination"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like saying Citizen Kane is unecessary if you know "Rosebud" is Marion Davies’s clitoris.

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do you have to grant them equal diegetic weight? One is canonical re: the rest of the series, and the other isn't canon but is still a great piece of film/tv-making.

― Leee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Cultural conditioning toward Aristotlian logic???

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, they had season 2 in the supermarket over here. I'm going to rewatch everything now - can someone remind me what the correct order is?

Season 1
Season 2
Fire Walk With Me movie?

(or is the movie somewhere halfway like with the Xfiles movie? (that's Season 1-5, movie, Season 6-9) )

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

watch Fire Walk With Me first

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

(chronologically it happens before the first season, even though it was produced afterwards, and tends not to make a lot of sense without the TV series)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

this is all moot if youve seen it all before, but it seems like the show isnt as cool if you watch FWWM first

― 69, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Thx, guys! You didn't say the same thing, but now I remember what it was like - I'm going to watch the show first and then the movie, just like all those years ago. Movie first = too many spoilers that undermine the suspense of the series.

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

3x. I watched the movie after the series and while the movie might have had more impact before, it definitely would have ruined a lot of series stuff.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Movie first = too many spoilers that undermine the suspense of the series.

yeah this is kinda undeniable

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I am watching Twin Peaks season 2 for the first time on the new DVDs and one thing that stands out for me is how funny it is! Laughs galore.

Also, why didn't they have a spin-off show about Lucy Moran, Andy the policeman and Dick Tremaine? That would have been awesome. Every line that Lucy has = golden.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah the scene introducing Tremaine with Hawk and Lucy = teh roflz.

"Prohibited"

"Robot"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

That's why I love season 2! Joeks and joeks.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

My set arrived today and I just watched the first disc. So good.
Nice of them to stick the Inland Empire trailer on there. August 14 DVD release for that now, apparently. I had heard June.

― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone explain the deal with the white lodge? I get the black lodge, but the white lodge I don't get.

― Drooone, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

White Lodge = Love
Black Lodge = Fear

― marmotwolof, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lodge

It remains unclear whether the White and Black Lodges are disparate realms. One could interpret the White Lodge and Black Lodge as one and the same place—a possibility perhaps hinted at by the mirrored black and white tiling throughout the lodge. Indeed, neither black nor white stand out conspicuously in the Lodge; the dominant colour is the blood-red drapes in the background. This notion that the two Lodges are "one and the same" is consistent with the presence of other dualistic phenomena which seem to characterise the Lodge, such as the existence of one's doppelganger in apparently the same place and time.

Another conception of the Black Lodge is that it is a realm of total evil which has usurped or absorbed its White counterpart. During the second season, Windom Earle relates a past-tense story about the White Lodge which is replete with Edenic imagery, possibly suggesting that the White Lodge belonged to a time now lost or forgotten. Earle then describes the Black Lodge in the present tense, perhaps indicating that it has replaced the White Lodge

― marmotwolof, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

great, tank you!

― Drooone, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

test

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

sry

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I just finished watching the last disc tonight, btw. Still love the Black Lodge scenes in the finale.

It's trippy watching those interviews directly after the series and seeing what everyone looks like now.

― marmotwolof, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I recently watched the last episode, but I don't have the dvds. Nor do I have FWWM. Which I haven't seen, but really want to.

The Black Lodge scenes are very hugely good, indeed.

― Drooone, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

FWWM is good stuff, especially if you liked the finale. I'm going to watch that next, and then my S1 DVDs again to fill in the little things I might have forgotten.

― marmotwolof, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

When is the second series going to hurry the fuck up and come out on DVD in Britain anyway?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My R1 discs turned up at the weekend and I finished the first disc last night. Actually, I was kind of surprised how familiar it all was, almost exactly as I remembered it. The oddest thing for me has been the contrast between skin tone and lip colour, nominally against a wood background - it happens most with Ben Horne and Lucy - where the lips look almost like they're floating. What produces this effect?

xpost to Matt - there's a German version out in R2 already if you can't play R1.

― aldo, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Watched season 2 over the last couple of weeks and it was so so so good.
Watched FWWM on Monday and it was so so so bad.

― n/a, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Re: FWWM

Okay, so the mystical stuff doesn't really make sense, but that doesn't matter. They totally betrayed the tone and the point of the TV show, but that wouldn't have mattered if the movie was good. The main problems were: 1) Sheryl Lee kinda sucks, 2) Laura Palmer is the least interesting character in the whole show, and 3) It made me want to kill myself.

― n/a, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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