i suppose you start with hegel
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
levinas and lacan are probably your 20th century bros here, though their ideas of the other arent the same iirc
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh lacan, avoid lacan
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i suppose postcolonibros would be helpful here too
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
postbrolonial studies
^^ someone write this paper please
I kinda skipped over hegel in uni tbrr, supposed it's time to get into him again
― dayo, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lacan + maybe buber (who isn't as good, but easier read), levinas too. for postcolonbros i'd recommend achebe, said (def), um abjection theory should deal with this too
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
also feministbros
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
kristeva
sara ahmed has some really interesting (pretty contemporary) stuff about othering + particularly wrt hate and affect
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
*takes notes*
thanks postbrolonials
― dayo, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
if u wanna take the feminist route which i am p much biased towards i would recommend a course of debeauvoir irigaray and wittig def. but then france+chicks is kindof how i roll w/ these things (recently found out irigaray is belgian tho!)
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
feministbros seems kindof the wrong way of phrasing that i think
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
irigaray's speculum of the other woman is my jam. it got her thrown out of lacan's school. hardcore.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lacan is such bullshit
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
not saying it's true here but 90% of the time someone tells me that lacan is bullshit it turns out they have almost no experience (or comprehension) of his work. they just think that because they don't understand it it is stupid
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
side note: did the band Aa get their name from lacan?
― dayo, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
psychbronalysis
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
nah i just think that psychoanalysis is bs, fuck the subconscious
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Lacan was a bro.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a reasonable fan of lacan, but happy to label him bullshitter supreme. unlike yer derridas and yer deleuzes i think there's genuinely no reason for him to write in the dumb way he does.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
After giving a talk at Berkeley once a guy accosted me at tea afterwards & would not shut up about Lacan, even though my talk was on logic. I'm pretty sure that what this guy was saying was bullshit, but I guess I'm not sure that he was getting Lacan right.
― Euler, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
another music side note: have always wondered whether Smashing Pumpkins "Zero" was Lacan inspired.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i will say that lots of Lacan fans tend to be very passionate + outspoken in academia and generally aren't as smart as Lacan
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(all this in my experience in academia, obv, ymmv, etc etc)
is that because when you challenge them they point to lacan and then it is hard to refute lacan
― dayo, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean more bc they talk about lacan-this and lacan-that and when pressed a lot of their ideas break down. (i've seen this at conferences where questions reduce the presenter to just repeating, 'you'll have to look in lacan to understand' in some form over and over)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i will say a lot of my lacan comes second hand via griselda pollock and other feminist art historians but it tends to be the point at which its difficult for me to take seriously what they're saying anymore. like theres this chapter in vision and difference where she does this lacanian analysis of rossetti's paintings and its just a bit like "oh ok thats the phallus is it? right ok" (she is otherwise awesome, i just wish ppl could use marx instead of lacan bc eg. spivak is a way more credible writer for me bc of this and only this)
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
some dude who picked me up hitchhiking once got into a mad argument w/ me about this and i resolved to read society and its discontents but i uh havent
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
civ + discontents. this is btw why i love Walter Benjamin (and Adorno) so much. Marx + some psychoanalysis. it's hot shit.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i like benjamin bc he is mystical
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
benjamin is my bro
― dayo, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
mystical benjamin is the scholem connection
― Mordy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I like Benjamin but I find him TOO HARD a lot of the time because of his mystical shizz. Like, I can totally follow Agamben saying much the same thing but Benjamin makes my head hurt.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
gershom brolem
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=2246786&boardid=77&threadid=81522
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the brolitical unconscious is levels for a 'modern conception of literature'
― boss margins, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Lacan isn't bullshit
re: the other: as somebody said, it starts with Levinas on the one hand and Kojeve's existential-marxist interpretation of the master-slave dialectic on the other (lol). and Kojeve begat Sartre and Lacan, who begat Fanon and a bunch of feminist theory, with probably some stuff I'm missing somewhere in there
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the thread nakh linked? i'm still not on 77
― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
reading lots of/about Heidegger these days
― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link
bro-ing-toward-death
― max, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link
the thread nakh linked to is about l0u1s jagg3r and the post he linked to is a gif of a book about gershom scholem
right
come join snowy! let thee not be the other of 77
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 07:31 (thirteen years ago) link
gershy schol kinda looked like a 'bro' when he was young, anyway
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link
xp I tend to forget that it exists! but nah, I'm cool — I guess I just lack "a taste for the secret"
― bernard snowy, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thechinabeat.org/?p=2631
huh, very sneaky Dr. Land
― goole, Saturday, 19 February 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I suppose this is the best place to ask: does anyone have any recommendations for a overview of 20th century philosophy? (mainly continental, mainly french) Not afraid of depth, but what I'm really looking for is something with a lot of breadth which actually attempts some kind of all-encompassing view of intellectual history during the 20th century.
― ryan, Saturday, 19 February 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
the course I took in college used the critical tradition, as compiled by david richter, which was just important excerpts from a lot of big important philosophy texts, w/ some introduction and interpretation
pretty good imo
― dayo, Saturday, 19 February 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ryan, gary gutting's history of 20c. french (CUP) is good. there's a recent book 'french theory' (u. minn press) that might fill out that story on the tail end and more from the american/anglo humanities side. also a recent biography of deleuze and guattari, 'd+g: intersecting lives'.
― j., Saturday, 19 February 2011 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Try - A History of Structuralism by Francois Dosse
― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Saturday, 19 February 2011 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link