Is racism a particularly large problem in Australia?

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dr brash!

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

docdocdocdocdoctor brash

moley, Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow Peter Dunne really has his cake, eats it too, and then spews it up and mashes it in yr face in that article. What a dick.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/aborigines-may-be-technically-banned-from-cbd-20100213-nyaj.html

A draconian law prohibiting indigenous Australians from entering central Brisbane after dark may still exist, an activist says.

Heather Castledine - co-ordinator of a celebratory march marking the second anniversary of prime minister Kevin Rudd's apology to the stolen generation - claims Aborigines may be technically banned from entering the area.

"They were banned from since the beginning of settlement," she said today, ahead of the walk from Boundary St at Spring Hill to Boundary St at West End.

I had heard that was why these streets were called Boundary, but now confirmed.

maybe shd be renamed imo. Especially considering west end is like the 'forward-thinking'/bohemian hub of Brisbane and it's its main street lol.

wilter, Sunday, 14 February 2010 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link

oh australia

nsuomy (ramon cora), Sunday, 14 February 2010 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link

exactly!

wilter, Sunday, 14 February 2010 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link

this is brisbane we're talking about tbh.

isn't it still technically illegal for five or more people to gather in one spot?

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Sunday, 14 February 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow *feels slightly ill* what the hell was JW's problem with me in this thread? I'd forgotten about it, but reading it again makes me feel a bit gross.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Sunday, 14 February 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I enjoyed the thread, but it did puzzle me why you engaged with him at all when he was obviously trolling.

It's quite interesting the idea of Aussies speaking rough and acting proper, when most often (here anyway) language is the first thing to be targeted. Is it still thus?

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 14 February 2010 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

People certainly "tell it like it is", I guess. The issue of racism here's gotten evem more tangled in recent times with the Indian student violence in Melbourne, and such.

On the other hand, Pauline Hanson has annouced she's had enough here, and is leaving. She's moving to the UK. The ironing is delicious on so many levels.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Sunday, 14 February 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Trayce I can't believe you blamed Alan Jones for this you vicious HOMOPHOBE

you live in a space battle homo cave (sic), Monday, 15 February 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Even more tangled, what with Indian students attemepting to incinerate their vehicles for insurance fraud, accidentally setting themsleves on fire then blaming the locals for racial vilification...

Rockefellatio (SeekAltRoute), Monday, 15 February 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

that was kind of amusing tbh

wilter, Monday, 15 February 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

:-)

Rockefellatio (SeekAltRoute), Monday, 15 February 2010 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

In addition, Indian students being stabbed on the way to work, which was reported as an example of vicious racist (white) Australians in the Indian press... until it was revealed that the perpetrators were Indian themselves.

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Monday, 15 February 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link

And that the majority of the reported incidents of assaults that are quoted by the police are actually robberies. Of 7/11s and taxis. Which are majority staffed by Indian/Sri Lankans.

(not that it is ANY EXCUSE for assaults/robbers, it just goes a small way to explaining the sudden (?) disparity).

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

But yeah Mr insurance fraud "OMG RACISTS SET ME ON FIRE" was... I didnt know wether to laugh or be horrified at the outcome, there.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Trayce's point about 7/11s and taxis is true to an extent but obv many of these attacks have been occuring when the victims are walking to and from train stations, work, home etc - i.e. in situations where statistically they are (or should be) no more likely to be a target than members of any other ethnic group in the same area.

I think the issue poses an interesting conundrum:

1) some people say it's racist

2) some people say they're opportunistic crimes (i.e. Indians represent "easy targets" as they often carry expensive electronic devices etc. use public transport late at night and live in poorer areas).

It seems to me that both of these things are true, to the extent that such opportunistic crimes are to some extent racist. Which, I think, holds true in two ways:

1) the disproportionate targeting of Indians involves racial profiling - Indian students as cashed-up soft targets.

2) I think there's a certain expression of thwarted class resentment here - i.e. Indians frequently are renting in areas dominated by poor "white trash" but aren't (or don't appear to be) as poor themselves - certainly they're better educated, more upwardly mobile, consequently more likely to succeed by and large. I wouldn't be surprised if the "racist twist" to the attacks is a sense of meting out payback for the victim's apparent material success - this seems typical of a lot of uninformed xenophobic politics of some unemployed and underemployed peeps, who don't hate rich white people (who they never see anyway due to geographical separation) so much as recent migrant (or transient international student) communities who they perceive as leapfrogging past them on the lower rungs of the heirarchy, stealing "their" jobs etc.

Tim F, Monday, 15 February 2010 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

the deep housing bubble (haitch), Monday, 15 February 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Aye, agreed.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, there was a good letter in the paper a few weeks ago from an Indian doctor who ahs lived in Australia for years pointing out that just because the dogier suburbs don't look like the slums of Mumbai it doesn't mean that they aren't dangeous.

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

As I've said before, I wouldn't go near Footscray if you paid me and gave me a bodyguard.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link

nothin wrong with the scrazy!

yarraville otoh, good god

the deep housing bubble (haitch), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Trayce just wouldn't go there 'cause it's on the wrongside of the river. And Yarraville is now the upmarket part of Footers.

On an unrelated note I just googled Mahatma Cote.

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/210/52/n81891799162_1710.jpg

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Its true Sash ;_;

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I just read the wiki entry for the Twelfth Man, speaking of... and the "comedy" subcontinent names are listed without a shred of irony, and looking at them now they seem pretty unfunny. I guess I thought Ahbrok Miandad hilairous when I was like, 12, but yeesh.

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 15 February 2010 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

'akhib myteethinajar besidethebed'!

the deep housing bubble (haitch), Monday, 15 February 2010 05:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Yarraville becomes more and more a suburb of Williamstown (as opposed to Footscray) each day. TBH I don't think this is an entirely awful thing.

Seddon meanwhile still has some sort of relationship with Footscray - at least to the extent that they share custody of that cluster of gentrified blocks around Middle Footscray station.

Tim F, Monday, 15 February 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Footscray is named after Foots Cray, a locality south-east of London

nominative determinism tbh

nakhchivan, Monday, 15 February 2010 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey don't forget Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symons.

Department of Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification (S-), Monday, 15 February 2010 11:17 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.reubenyau.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/blackpeople21.gif

jabba hands, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 06:24 (fourteen years ago) link

haaaa

autogoon the news (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link

ebay otm

black people for less (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 06:41 (fourteen years ago) link

rare l@@k

Marissas now living will never her (haitch), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 06:45 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

wtf

jabba hands, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Gotta say, on my recent visit Australia gave the impression of being more inclusive and multicultural than it was five years ago during my last trip. I noticed a couple of things in the media examining the country's reputation for racism, and there seemed to be an effort being made to move away from old attitudes. Then again I basically stuck to metropolitan areas this time. Have you noticed a change in your time there, Jabba/Pete?

i would rather burn than spend eternity with god and rapists (chap), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Mr Nicholson said on his blog digitalOZ he made the discovery by accident after misspelling an acronym.

lol, it is kind of hilarious how explanations like this make the explainer seem about a bazillion times more guilty

it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

everything you've heard about australia being backwards and fucking bigoted is absolutely true

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link

there are plenty of good people here but fuck the braindead majority that lives on murdoch drivel and votes for the shittiest most revolting fucking bigots they can find

undermikey: bidness (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

six years pass...

that is the best movie villain in a minute

imago, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link

This seems a real Sydney thing though. This shit just doesn't happen anywhere else, only Sydney. I don't know why.

bet Trayce feels foolish now that rampant African gangs have made it impossible for anyone to go to dinner in Melbourne

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link

Hahaha yeah I read that post and loled a bit.

Fuck me Jon was an asshole. D'you know he was even worse off-board to me - he used to send me screeds of abuse on Messenger and then turn around and demand to know what I looked like in my underpants :/

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link

Apparently Katter's background is lebanese BTW.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link

Katter's paternal grandfather, Carl Katter, was a Lebanese immigrant; his other grandparents were Australian.[4][5] Despite his family history, Katter regards defining his grandfather as Lebanese as a racist slander.[6]

You couldn't make this guy up tbh.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link

During their 1964 Australian tour, The Beatles were pelted by eggs from some unknown assailants. Katter, then a university student, later came forward and admitted his involvement.

... he's not all bad then.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link

In November 1989, Katter claimed there were almost no homosexuals in North Queensland. He promised to walk backwards from Bourke if they represented more than 0.001 percent of the population.

... and yet.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link


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