Why Do (some) Men Hate Women?

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"Next time I see you you better be wearing a cup, motherfucker" - Eddie Van Halen

― david q roth, Sunday, 9 February 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone will see things his/her own way! but you are all overreacting, there is no gender war going on, I work in a hospital with dozens of men and women, and we all get along fine! Never have i seen anyone arguing over gender equality. I am sure this is the way it is with most men, and women.

― Tri, Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aside from tennis players, most female atheletes are quite ugly! So I do not see any problem in letting men into the locker rooms. It's not like they will be turned on by anything!

― Ralfus, Monday, 10 February 2003 06:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

The funny thing is, I have never heard of a male reporter demanding access to women's locker rooms. I guess it's just the internet crowd who is bothered by this.

― Heather L, Monday, 10 February 2003 07:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

that is probably because no one cares about womens sports, so it's not like they will miss a scoop or something. If women's sports were as popular as men's, you know damn well they would be demanding access!

― Ralfus, Monday, 10 February 2003 07:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think this explains some of the vicious record reviews I've had from women. Rock critics hate themselves, but female rock critics hate themselves even more.

Also, there's a misogynist tone to some of your work, which is just the sort of thing that puts off a woman critic. (Occam's razor: simplest explanation = true explanation)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

The argument that women do not view men as sexual objects, and have no desire to look at naked men in the locker rooms is a load of crock! I was just on a wrestling message board, and the big topic seemed to be which wrestlers had the nicest butts! I am sure alot of these females would love to get into a wrestlers dressing room!

― Irv, Monday, 10 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I almost shot iced tea out of my nose when I read the story about the surgeon who sewed up his wife's vagina. Does this make me a bad person?)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

(To be fair, I was laughing pretty heartily at Bobbitt, too.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes but is there any point when dan isnt laughing pretty heartily?!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Touche.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

*sarcastically* Dan you can laugh at Bobbitt all you want, but don't you dare ever laugh at a female victim! Men's feelings do not matter, and crimes against men are so funny! But crimes against females are no laughing matter!

― Stephen Ancroid, Monday, 10 February 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

It starts in childhood, you teach your daughters self esteem, while making your sons feel worthless!

― troy, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 05:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wha i would like to know, is why was John Bobbitt's name made public and also the names of other male sex crime victims have been made public. Female rape victims identities are kept secret.

― nasty ned, Friday, 14 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Originally there were no female reporters who covered
sports, so there was no controversy. Now that there are
women reporters, with more of them arriving on the scene
every day, the practice of locker room interviewing needs to
change.

As a female reporter who covers sports, showing up at a Clan
football practice causes enough of a stir. I can't imagine,
nor do I want to experience, what the reaction would be if I
were to enter the locker room after a game. I'm sure the
athletes are no more excited about the prospect of a woman
in their locker room while they have no clothes on. I would
be uncomfortable and the athletes would be uncomfortable.
It's a no-win situation.

But female reporters are not going to stand outside the
locker room while male reporters are inside getting the
scoop (you can bet that male reporters would be screaming
loud and hard about equal access if they weren't allowed
into a women's locker room while their female counterparts
were.) Many athletes will only speak to one reporter. If a
female reporter does not have the opportunity to get to an
athlete first, then she cannot get her story and do her job.
While female reporters do not want to be in a room with a
bunch of naked men, it is their job. If male reporters are
getting interviews in locker rooms then the female reporters
have to do it also.

Personally, I think that there shouldn't be any reporters in
locker rooms, regardless of gender. After a game, an athlete
wants to get out of his uniform and have a shower. He does
not need a reporter sticking a microphone in his face while
he stands there with nothing but a smile on. Use the
conference room, that's what it's for.

Ban ALL reporters from the locker room. Then the whole
debate would be over. Cased closed.

― Jane Female sports reporter, Monday, 17 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

On a similar note, if you have ever been in a crowded night club chances are you have seen women using the men's restroom. I bet these same women would be the first to complain if a man walked into the women's restroom. Double standards again!

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all fairness while male reporters may have restricted access to women's locker rooms, there are plenty of men who can just walk into a women's locker room, trainers coaches and such.

― Barbie, Monday, 17 February 2003 16:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

How does one go about becoming a such?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

The line for the women's is always five or ten minutes' long. If you really have to pee then maybe you use the men's room, not because you're sexist, but because a toilet is a toilet! It may be a double standard but it's there for a REASON. Why would a man go into a women's restroom if the line for the men's is way shorter? (I have NEVER seen the opposite situation, it's UNIVERSAL.)

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

You have to go to "such" school, Dan. Then you have to spend 3-4 months as a "such" intern.

― Ralfus, Monday, 17 February 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

maria, is it men's fault that women take longer in the bathroom? And does this mean that the men standing at the urinals with everything hanging out have to give up their rights to privacy in order to accomidate you? In reality it would be more fair to let the men into the women's rooms because women have the privacy of stalls, and nothing is visible.

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reed, your argument makes no sense.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok, dan, so you do not mind women walking in while you are standing there taking a wizz.

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why should I?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, if there's no problem with men wlking in while you are standing there taking a wizz, why should it be a problem for a woman to walk in? There's nothing inherently sexual about pee (SCAT FIENDS TO THREAD etc).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

a lot of the toilets in clubs are unisex anyway

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 17 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

well then dan, and maria, how would you feel about making all bathrooms unisex?

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wouldn't bother me at all.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't mind bathrooms being unisex as long as they had stall doors. (That would remove the social function they have for women sometimes, but oh well.) I have no clue why some men's bathrooms don't have stalls if women's do, though...I really like privacy, I'm sure others do too.

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have no clue why some men's bathrooms don't have stalls if women's do, though.

To discourage gay sex, I suspect.

― Phil (phil), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

(On the other hand, at the public [middle & high] schools I attended -- not hotbeds of George Michael-style restroom hookups, as far as I know -- the men's bathrooms had no stall doors, and the women's did. I'm not really sure what the rationale for that was, but I certainly didn't like it.)

― Phil (phil), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

To discorage gay sex/masturbation (delete where applicable)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

the point is, why do women feel it is perfectly ok for them to invade our private places, while getting upset if we invade theirs?

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because the men's room isn't really a private place?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

you are part of the problem dan. women stand up for their rights, and privacy, while men donnot give a damn about their own!

― reed, Monday, 17 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

The men's rooms at my school don't even have soap or paper towels (the women's are supposed to). They're cheap and they figure males are less likely to complain, I guess. (And it's all your fault, Dan!)

― Maria (Maria), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

The day that urinals are enclosed in stalls just like toilets is the day I admit that men's lavatories are private places.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been to clubs where there have been men in the women's room.

― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

(That was my fault, too.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

men go into women's rooms to do drugs with their girlfriends

― tri, Monday, 17 February 2003 20:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

who cares? it's just a damn bathroom. . .

― That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been in women's toilets and no one objected or got distressed, and I've had women walk in to the men's toilets when I've been urinating and no one objected or got distressed. Exactly what kind of fucking stupid argument over nothing is this?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 February 2003 21:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sure Martin, whenever a man complains about his rights, it is a stupid argument.

― Stephen Ancroid, Monday, 17 February 2003 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

If the crux of men being denied their rights comes down to peeing in privacy then I say men have it pretty good.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like mens toilets as they are, a good place for talking shit to strangers in clubs about the dj or whatever else

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 February 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hmmmm...so once my on-live-in SO was at a gathering in Baltimore and ended-up at a urinal right next to John Waters. They finished together, shook, zipped, and left (I assume they washed their hands, too).

So, A) Would this encouer have occurred if the bathrooms were unisex and B) Why won't he tell me about John Waters' ding-aling? and C) Should I believe him when he says he didn't look?

And, on a related note - in the dorms at Santa Cruz, the floor restrooms/showers/etc. are completely unisex - seems healthy, to me.

BUT - I do believe that there are areas where men are discriminated against - however, I think that, overall, women are fighting more discrimination in many more areas.

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 00:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

like guys care about privacy! I have seen men just whip it out in public,and piss on the side of a building!

― lizzie Mac, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 00:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe if we could forget about name calling, and ridicule, and actually talk to one another we can eliminate all forms of hatred! just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them, or their concerns stupid!

― Dennis, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Three cheers for Dennis' comment. You've given us words of wisdom on a thread of words of chaos and disgruntlement. You're my hero *smile*

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 02:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

like guys care about privacy! I have seen men just whip it out in public,and piss on the side of a building!
at the same time i know a few (small nuber) of guys who can't even piss while there's poeple around

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

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