Scottish things and people that I like

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[whispers "Francis Gay isn't a person anymore. It's a bored sub."]

And, aye, the Broons were great but generally when they pretended to be timeless. I saw a Spice Girl in an Oor Wullie once, I'm sure. And a gameboy. But let's not forgot the seminal moment of Maggie in a bikini.

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stet (stet), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Being able to get Irn Bru and Diet Irn Bru in pubs and being able to mix it with vodka.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Does it curdle down south?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

it poisons anyone who drinks it south of the border.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Can you guess I'm bored at work and DIDN'T GET A BONUS THIS YEAR?

I had guessed Francis Gay wasn't still alive, unless he was somehow preserved in cryogenic stasis or maybe some home-made jam. I should have said 'Francis'.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm beginning to think of this thread as a sort of Try Glasgow Vicariously.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link

you should be thinking of this thread as a potentially lucrative guidebook.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I meant mixing it with vodka IN PUBS. I haven't found a pub in Scotland with Pims on tap yet.

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I first heard Momus on beat patrol. Btw, wasn't it Peter Easton that presented it?

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Momus beat me to it with R.D. Laing! OK, so he was a bit of a diddy but a fascinating guy all the same (Ronnie Laing that is, not Momus)

Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

My mum isn't Scottish. She's only even been to Scotland a handful of times. She still reads both My Weekly and People's Friend every week, though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

DC Thompson are notorious for the way they treat their writers and artists. Almost all the work in their publications is uncredited. Other than a select few (eg.Dudley D Watkins) all the work in the Beano, Dandy etc was uncredited and in the like of the Sunday Post, People's Friend etc continuity is created by crediting to fictional characters like Francis Gay or The HON Man. Leo Baxendale, who invented and drew the Bash St Kids, Little Plum, Minnie the Minx and tons of others, goes into this in a rather remarkable book he wrote (which I can't remember the title of right now). He spent most of the eighties in court trying to get them to return the rights to his work.

everything, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

they are also [looks round furtively] quite litigious, which is why i shall refrain from sharing any of the amusing stories told to me by a former boss who worked there in the late eighties/early nineties.

suffice it to say: from what he shared, it might as well have been the 1880s/1890s.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that when Reuters left Fleet Street recently everyone referred to it as them as the last to leave, when 40 DC Thomson staff are still based there.

I think the rest of the media likes to pretend they don't exist. The Sunday Post never appears in newspaper circulation round-ups either. Maybe that's their choice.

As late as the 1980s, the Sunday Post had a readership of 2.7 million, which represented two-thirds of the entire Scottish adult population, which was some kind of record for saturation.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a lot of such stories about. My Dad was friends with an ex-HON man. In case anyone has forgotten, HON stands for Holiday on Nothing. They would send him off to Rome with a bunch of Rangers fans or something and to make it interesting, force him to survive without money. Then they pay you the basic industry minimum for the story. Apparently they went through HON men at a rate of about 4 or 5 a year.

everything, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sunday Post was a titan just a few decades ago. People here worked on it, and the stories of 11 editions a night and print runs in the multiple millions are amazing. And you can get a taste of what the papers they made in that heady era were like by, er ... nipping down the paper shop this Sunday. Even the stories will be the same: "Prince does something royally".

[geek bit]It's especially amazing they got papers out when you realise that they were working with Quark 1 on SE/30s. 30mins for a mono page to EPS.

stet (stet), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Grimly: One more thing about Leo Baxendale: he created the strip "Grimly Feendish" for a called Whamm! in 1963 which he claims inspired the Damned song.

everything, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you all know that some of Glasgow are trying the Lansdowne tonight (in case you aren't reading the behemoth that is Try Glasgow More, which is also one of my favourite things)?

I can't believe no-one's mentioned Billy Sloan.

My old flatmates once had a totally made up story in the centre pages of the Sunday Post. I will recount later, but I have to leave NOW to get to the Lansdowne in time for the Celtic game (I may be pushing it a bit)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"I can't believe no-one's mentioned Billy Sloan."

But this is "things and people that I like"...

Never met the guy, so I don't have anything against him personally, but he does champion some rubbish. Still, his bits on Scotland Today have produced some moments of comedy gold. "He's not a rapper, he's a singer, but I think this will go down well with the young people." On Ian Wright's short lived pop career.

Stew (stew s), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

who is everything?

dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Grimly: One more thing about Leo Baxendale: he created the strip "Grimly Feendish" for a called Whamm! in 1963 which he claims inspired the Damned song.

!!!

see, i'm not really named after the damned song: dr grimly-fiendish was actually a character in a children's book called "the founding of evil hold school", by one nokolai tolstoy. and when i started posting to ILX, i'd just been rearranging my bookshelves and found it and ... well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.

but i've just dug the book out and i see it's dated 1968. which means baxendale got there first. wow. top work, old cartoon fella.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

this is him, right? (grimly, that is, not baxendale. obviously.)

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/grimfien.jpg

the likeness is uncanny.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

nokolai

FFS. it's been a long day. nikolai.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

that IS uncanny!

dahlin (dahlin), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree with Ally. We're the bizzzneessss!

KeefW (kmw), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Today's chapter in The Scottish Englightenment (said a passing Welshman last night: "So when's it coming, then?") informs us that the word "Scotland" comes from the Latin word "Scoti" which means BANDITS.

Excellent.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i would like to try glasgow more.

club soda (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I would really like to try Inverness more.

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 07:59 (eighteen years ago) link

One of my friends has a funny Billy Sl0@n story. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact details to recount it.

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 28 July 2005 08:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Scot was the word the Picts used for the Irish?
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Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Scots were an Irish tribe, I think it's more likely to be a Latin word than a Pictish one

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Ootside:

It's a wonderful truism - "Scotland is beautiful". Unfortunately, most people who end up spouting this venture no further at the weekend than Braehead or The Gyle and ultimately view their escape from the city via the airport rather than the A82 or M90.

Not that this should hamper their enjoyment of the cities. There is only one way to view Glasgow, for example, and that is with your neck craned upwards. Everything exciting about Glasgow happens above head height, with statues and columns adorning otherwise functional buildings (the street level parts of which have been turned into an All Bar One, with work girls thinking they're class as they drink bacardi breezers), which is presumably why you so frequently come across people lying on their backs in the town centre. Don't worry, you can step over them without spoiling what they can see.

Glasgow appears to have been designed by the same architects as the big American cities with bold lines, classical architecture and a distinctive grid system. Edinburgh, on the other hand, appears to have been designed by a deranged jaikie, woken from his slumbers and given 20 minutes to get it finished on the back of a bookies' line.

Once they got bored with streets, or something happened to them, Edinburgh just built new streets on top. As a result, you get things like the Cowgate passing majestically underneath The Bridges looking more like a paved over canal than a road, but betrayed by the likes of Bannermans - a cellar bar, but one that finally turned out to be about 20 storeys below the final floor of the buildings that eventually ended up on top of them. There are lots of lovely buildings, but none of them sit together properly and look like they're the emptied out pockets of some celestial city planner built where they fell.

Once you get out of them though...

Blah blah mountains blah blah heather blah blah. Leave that to Muriel Grey. (Nice though they are)

The joys are in little things. Driving through some of the most beautiful scenery, which changes coast by coast from rolling hills to precipitous cliffs. The tearooms at Luss. Garelochhead. The bridge over the Atlantic. The Art Deco frontage of Oban hotels. Mull and Iona. Drinking heavily in Fort William, under the shadow of Ben Nevis, and wandering along to the Highland Museum. Inverness and its utterly pointless castle. The mist sweeping over Culloden. The visitor centre at the Baxters factory. Gamrie Bay. Pennan, possibly the most lovely town in Scotland. The wind piling through Aberdeen, and trying to stand up in the gales on the promenade. Eating a fish supper in front of the lightship at Anstruther then walking round the fisheries museum. The bottle dungeon in St Andrews. The Queen Elizabeth forests and David Marshall Lodge. The sun setting and hour before it rises in the summer. The sun rising an hour before it sets in the winter.

There are a million reasons, and it seems foolish merely to list them. So there has to be something personal, and for me it's The Glen. Pittencrieff Park in Dunfermline.

Bounded on one side by the Abbey (resting place of at least part of Robert The Bruce, and his official memorial burial site) and the ruined monastery, Pittencrieff Park was once the estate of the Laird of Pittencrieff, until following his death it was bought by Andrew Carnegie and turned over to the people of Dunfermline - reputedly as payback for not being allowed to play in it as a child. I remember it mostly as where Fife primary schools congregated for a joint day out towards the end of term in the 1970s, acres and acres of space for kids to run in and two large paddling pools, but it's so much more in retrospect. It has a much greater scope than similar parks, with an Italian garden, a hothouse, an animal enclosure with birdhouse and aquarium, a tearooms with bandstand... the Andrew Carnegie museum is there now too, and it features Malcom Canmore's Tower which purports to be the home of Malcom III following his glorious return from the murder of Macbeth and the restoration of the throne to his lineage.

Like everywhere else, it's now full of school neds getting pished. But it's still the best place in Scotland.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still glad I don't live there anymore tho

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

My mum was trying to persuade me to go to Dunfermline last weekend. I dimly remember visiting the Andrew Carnegie museum and Dunfermline Abbey sometime in the 80s.

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

There's an Andrew Carnegie museum in Dunfermline? But he left when he was... well, younger than I was when I left Hertfordshire! If anywhere it should be in Pittsburgh. But I think they've just got Andy Warhol. Who is not Scots at all.

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Andy Warhol. Who is not Scots at all.

Though he did study at Carnegie.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I sense a conspiracy here!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Also - the Scots invented Freemasonry. Therefore, they invented conspiracy theories!)

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Dunfermline has its charms. I was there in the run-up to an appearance on The Hitman and Her, the whole place was in a turmoil.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

[countdown to someone mentioning david byrne ... 10 ... 9 ... 8]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

That's Dumbarton, not Dunfermline.

Andrew Carnegie returned to Dunfermline later in life (around the turn of the century) for several years. (He was about 14 when he left, I think)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link

And David Byrne is from Dumbarton of course!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Ta-da!!!!!!!!!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a Carnegie Hall in Dunfermline too. When Belle and Sebastian did a Carnegie Hall gig, lots of American fans got very confused.

The Glen in Dunfermline is rather nice, though.

The nicest view in all of Scottish scenery is on the road connecting Harris to Lewis, as you come over the pass between the two islands* and see Lewis and the glen of Loch Seaforth.

* for people unaware of Scottish geography: although Lewis and Harris are separate islands, they are a single landmass. The islands are separated by mountains, not water.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

How *do* you get to Carnegie Hall?

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 10:54 (eighteen years ago) link

It's at the end of the High Street*, opposite the public toilets.

*Not strictly true, it's actually on East Port, but these are good enough directions for visitors.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:02 (eighteen years ago) link

No, Aldo, the answer is "Practise, lady, practice."

Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

See, that just shows you're not from Dunfermline.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Gordon Strachan.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Troll

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (eighteen years ago) link


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