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Almost all Mahayana Buddhists regard themselves as practicing a superior form of Buddhism, the “large vehicle” of greater aspirations, higher view, and deeper compassion, which they contrast to a so-called “Hinayana” or smaller, inferior vehicle. Many Theravadins regard themselves as practicing a “pure” or “original” form of Buddhism, rather than degenerate Mahayana. Because the term “Hinayana” originated in Mahayana sectarian polemics and has never been a self-designation used by any Buddhist group, I make a special effort to discourage use of this term whenever I teach Buddhist history in a Mahayana or Vajrayana context. Many Westerners who practice a Tibetan-based form of Buddhism find it difficult to accept and assimilate this change into their speech habits no matter how many times the reasons for doing so are explained. Nevertheless, I continue to argue that the term “Hinayana” simply needs to be dropped from our vocabulary. In a pluralistic, diverse Buddhist world that is informed by an accurate understanding of Buddhist history, the term “Hinayana” is deeply inappropriate. I also suggest that the idea of progressive stages of development from “lower” to “higher” may not be the best way to understand Buddhist internal diversity.

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eh its part of the samaya vow to not denigrate other forms of buddhism fyi - so i mean this lady who thinks shes thinking big is just going over something thats considered already settled from a tantric pov - and i think you know being ecumenical is good as far as being open minded but if youre using it to not relate to or understand the philosophical differences in varied traditions than its just stupid

and of course she has absolutely no business just changing buddhist terminology just to suit her personal beliefs

extremely weak sauce over all

btw i am aquatinted w/her, one summer at shambhala mountain center she wore this gross cat sweatshirt around all the time w/three cats on the front facing forward and on the back were their raised tails hind legs and everything - nagl

i mean that whole essay is so buddhist challops - as if practitioners are sitting around worrying abt the origins of mahayana, thinking abt how lame theravada is - they are not! they are trying to understand how to work w/their minds, how to be kind to people

ps academia is the worst

Now somebody call me a weak-kneed syncretic.

This seems wrong and pointless, but you asked politely, so... you are a weak-kneed syncretic.

**sigh** People have such strange fetishes.

take it to tmi u 2

gross u guys

doesnt nondualism nullify this entire argument?

w/r/t little/big vehicle

i think when discussing the concept of emptiness, its not like calling shenanigans, its not going to make practical differences disappear

yea i guess i dont know enough about the differences between the schools and i have a sneaking suspicion that everything i know about buddhism comes from mahayana

from a vajrayana pov all three vehicles are essential and practiced simultaneously - so its quite easy to make too much out of the big/little naming convention - which isnt even really particularly a comment on theravada but rather describes aspects of the tantra tradition - like imagine a teacher in a remote valley in eastern tibet in 1897 caring or even knowing abt whats going on in south east asia

i mean he doesnt even know who the dalai lama is

which isnt even really particularly a comment on theravada but rather describes aspects of the tantra tradition

but dude come on you can see where theravadins might take umbrage at the naming convention: 'hey u lil guys are great and we totes respect your less evolved practices'

i mean maybe this is concern trolling if you like, but i have read bhutanese dudes insisting that this amounts to centuries of disrespect for what they do

i think when discussing the concept of emptiness, its not like calling shenanigans

i love buddhism board descrip

form is emptiness, emptiness is not shenangians

aw man i've only been able to skim most of this recent activity :(

its part of the samaya vow to not denigrate other forms of buddhism fyi - so i mean this lady who thinks shes thinking big is just going over something thats considered already settled from a tantric pov

you realize that from the opposite perspec tho this is kinda 'hey we didn't mean it like that yall dealwithit.gif' right i mean

and of course she has absolutely no business just changing buddhist terminology just to suit her personal beliefs

down with this tho, hate this 'i'm not even really a buddhist' line of bs

what makes you not a buddhist by dzongsar jamyang khyentse

loved this, btw

i mean jho i realize nobody is gonna be droppin t bombs on u itt i'm just sayin

xp

http://grab.by/8FcB

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i think its ok to challenge jho itt

i mean that whole essay is so buddhist challops - as if practitioners are sitting around worrying abt the origins of mahayana, thinking abt how lame theravada is - they are not! they are trying to understand how to work w/their minds, how to be kind to people

― ice cr?m, Monday, January 31, 2011 5:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i mean ok yes you are kind of negating the whole rest of my discussion with this post i'm just saying this is a thread that exists in the ~dharma community~ and it's not exclusively the domain of stuff-white-buddhists-like types

i think its ok to challenge jho itt

― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 12:11 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh right i just mean i'm not gonna ~blow his mind~ with some secret shit he didn't know abt

re: ari & rose, i wish that gif was drunkenly animated in 25 minutes

i spent a couple minutes like

'would not get enlightened with??'

'would not chant with??'

'would not visualize with??'

theyre awesome deep individuals you would no doubt enjoy meeting, the silliness of that jpg they had nothing to do w/excepted

anyway i feel like the lesser vehicle scandal if there is such a thing is exquisitely silly, and to all my theravada brethren i say 'do yr thing gangsta'

fair enuf

sorry if i sometimes project my resentments onto u as the sole vajrayana rep on this borad

roll on yo

if its discussed in such a away as to elucidate the teachings then fine, otherwise im totally w/e

hi 5

i mean i could see the dalai lama making a pronouncement saying 'dont call it the lesser vehicle call it the essential vehicle' and that would be a nice gesture but nothing particularly wouldve changed abt the teachings because the problem wasnt really a problem in the first place

I mean I'm just always wary of situs where I find myself saying to an offended party 'guys you really don't have a reason to be offended here'

i mean symbolic gestures that have no concrete effect still have meaning, you are not a dude i have to tell this to

(((cause u are smarter than me on this stuff is why i don't have to tell u)))

thats why i said it would be a nice gesture!

fundamentally the vajrayana teachings dont at all shit on the theravada, the teachings of lesser middle and greater vehicles are totally ok and dont do that, irl many things im sure have been said on both sides - so basically what im arguing is that its a semantic point - people are welcome to be upset by it but its not saying what they think its says is all

irl both parties think they do dharma better is where the friction really lies imo - i say practice wholeheartedly and ill do the same in like 40 years we can compare our realization - that would prob be the best for everyone involved and the world

This is truly a BigEndian vs. LittleEndian quarrel (as described in Gulliver's Travels).

one vehicle: those that can't do teach
the other one: do or do not there is no try
tibetans: (((d~_~b)))
syncretic enthusiasts: highlander + robots + actual trees

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/09/india.dalai.lama/index.html

huh

yeah

this has been a long time coming obv and china's been regularly reiterating that they were gonna decide who DL's next reincarnee was, glad to see this happened now instead of while dude was on his deathbed or something