will smith i just cant, its a tragedy, dont want to talk abt it
― ice cr?m, Monday, 31 January 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Ali's a great looking movie with an amazing opening, that shot of ali walking out of the tunnel at the stadium in zaire, and a cool ted levine cameo - but it's kinda sterile and dull and does nothing to illuminate what kind of man Ali was, and also is maybe overly reverent towards him imo
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
tho it was a little inappropriate that they retconned Ali into defeating the entire Viet Cong army
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i think that if you view mann's films thru an aesthetic lens first & then consider everything else afterword, "ali" comes out in a much better light
that being said it's not like i have a problem w/ sports biopics or anything
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
but it's kinda sterile and dull and does nothing to illuminate what kind of man Ali was, and also is maybe overly reverent towards him imo
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, January 31, 2011 6:52 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah basically typical biopic trap, also will smith apparently plays ali
― ice cr?m, Monday, 31 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
ice cr?m is being so unjiggy right now
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
imagining what Scarface would have been like if Mann and not De Palma had directed
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
would've loved to have seen an Ali movie that portrayed him as a monster instead of this safe recycling of shit we already saw in When We Were Kings
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i rewatched ali a few months ago -- it just kind of disintegrates into tedium rly, basically just recreating things that happened and were documented, but there is gold in there too
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ali-greatest.jpg
― pf smangs (San Te), Monday, 31 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
heat is really fucking long and i have things to do. collateral is maybe the only tom cruise movie where i dont want to vomit all the way through. i feel like mann is the only director who uses video where i feel like it looks great *as* video. like it seems like it comes from the same pot of alchemised shit that makes encore seem epic. i totally love that song anyway tho
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i wasnt paying attn when ali was on tv but i have no idea what makes it any diff from like walk the line or smthg
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
walk the line is better
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
not that ive seen it
but i bet i'd be way more into it!
biopics are usually horribly awful and all exactly the same
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
except Before Night Falls and Carlos.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i find it hard to think b4 nite falls is any good not bc of anything to do w/ the movie but bc schnabel is such a joke of a painter
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
he is maybe the worst painter of all time including this girl who was in my class who. i mean i dont wanna even get started.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
that reminds me i need to do that Prefontaine vs. Without Limits poll i was planning on
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
heat is really fucking long and i have things to do
You're not working yet, son. Make time imo.
― ENBB, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Lucky for all of us he became a much better director.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
schnabels transformation from awful painter to rad filmmaker is one of the great mysteries of contpo art - before night falls is a straight up classic great movie
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Monday, January 31, 2011 7:04 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it is better!
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
not really a mystery--painting is hard--making a movie is easy
― max, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
pfft painting isnt hard check this out *paints*
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
did schnabel do basquiat? thats the only one ive seen. its ok.
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah basquiat is alright, before night falls is masterful, diving bell and butterfly is good if kind of minor seeming
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link
some key reasons collateral owns:
mark ruffalo's red herring tough-guy detective character (martin balsam in psycho?)coyotesbardem scenestatham cameo
― omar little, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link
memorable scene from last of the mohicans (which did in fact own): that british dude is getting burned alive and DDL puts him out of his misery w/a long-distance shot
― omar little, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Collateral isn't bad but the plot is totally fucking ridiculous and once they go to the Jazz club it's all downhill.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Ali is pretty awful imo. Smith is robotic and monotonous in it (as he always is lately, but he's playing Muhammad Ali!) and the script is pretty much the most rote and by the numbers Ali biopic you could write.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think smith's bad in it, it's just an underwritten part
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
he's just not believable at all. He has the vacant expression of an actor in way over his head for like 95% of the movie.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago) link
its like casting tom hanks as castro or some shit
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Best thing about Ali was ESPN running days and days of Ali fights and programming on ESPN Classic when it was released.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
basically Vice is his best film and i say that as a colossal Manhunter fan. it's the sorta film that makes you buy a better telly for the next time you watch it. i'd basically get a Blu Ray player just for this and the upcoming Star Wars box.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link
is the original cut on bluray or just the new cut?
new cut on bluray is hella beautiful btw.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Director's cut has never been available on BR. It was on HD-DVD, IIRC.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
nah it's out
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Miami-Vice-Unrated-Directors-Blu-ray/dp/B001B7CNXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1296533867&sr=8-1
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link
D'oh, I meant theatrical cut has never been on BR, but was on HD-DVD.
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
someone should create a PS3 app or something
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
still think collateral is the best thing mann did in the 00s
agree w/ this coyotes are incredible whole movie has this amazing energy looks so visceral tom cruise psychosis perfectly utilized
shld probably rewatch vice tho havent seen it in a couple years
― Lamp, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Rest of the movie whatever, but how could this be any better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STDo6Z5YJa4
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that live version of bring it on home to me is tremendous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLZ_pVwU3k
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Cruise is great in Collateral. If Delon can use his good looks and coldness, Cruise can use his charm offensive to achieve the same thing.
― Gukbe, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Tubbs: So what's going on?Crockett: As in?Tubbs: As in there is undercover and then there is "Which way is up?".Crockett: What? Do you think I'm in so deep I forgot?Tubbs: [Tubbs and Crockett look at each other closely] I will never doubt you.
― omar little, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
lets take this to the limit... one more time
― marios balls in 3d for 3ds (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, no, maybe so.
― An Artily Shot Sesame Street (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link