― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link
Latebloomer, Sorry I should have tried to say it more clearly, but I created this thread to specifically focus on Christianity and Atheism (partly because I think when I posted this there was a similar lecture going on at my university, and Christianity is more culturally and socially relevant to most English speakers). I was being biased towards a certain concept of religion. But of course any discussion of religion can and probably will get expanded to many other concepts of religion. Either way it's interesting.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
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― Righteous Avenger, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link
My major quarrel with christianity is its claim to be a 'revealed religion'. IOW, christianity claims its myths must be accepted as plain historic facts and its sacred writings must be accepted as a narrative of god's historic interactions with particular humans and carry the force of divine law. In this respect it is quite similar to Judaism and Islam.
My difficulty is that all such religions are so inflexibly dogmatic that when experience, feeling and thought come into conflict with dogma, it is experience, feeling and thought that are forced to yield. At best, that requires the faithful to become daily adepts at hypocrisy and at worst that can do serious damage to their sanity. Even the most dogmatic atheism does less violence to one's pysche.
If I correctly gathered the sense of those who objected to atheists, it was not to their beliefs per se, so much as their to attempts to proselytize. That particular shoe fits both sides in this match.
― Aimless, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link
"haha i wasnt paraphrasing CS lewis on that one thats a standard question u must ask urself about Jesus..... he has to be one of those 4 "
I would suggest you don't think any standard questions MUST be asked.
"The trouble with religion is that it’s based on the principle of “don’t ask questions; just have faith” – this is pure intellectual laziness."
Not nessicarly. I'm relgious and I know many other religious people that try to find all these difficult (don't ask) questions. That's the best way to reaffirm one's faith. It's a very taxing intellectual process.I do agree that many many people don't want to bother with any intellectual difficulties and that kind of sucks for them. They take the approach of "I have faith, that's all I need. I love God, but I'm not going to think about it"
I'm not saying that one should rely on intellectualism to find a faith. That's something man can't do for himself.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link
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― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link
Well...if God exists then He gave me the ability to think logically and rationally. Using this ability, I have come to the conclusion that God in the Christian sense does not exist. (I'm not saying this is the ONLY rational conclusion one can come to, just the one I have come to). So, how can he damn me to hell for using and relying on the abilities He himself has bestowed upon me. Seems like a shitty thing to do.
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link
― B .Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
― sleepywanker (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
I sorry to let you know this, but all godless heathens do go to hell. Think of it from their point of view, there is no god and there is no hell it's just like they expect. Now think of it from you point of view; God chooses some people they aren't godless they don't go to hell.
Having said this, you have no idea who was choosen godless or not. So it is possible that god working through your actions reveals someone as not godless (according to his plans) etc etc if God etc etc is sovereign etc etc.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link
― sym (shmuel), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
I'm an evangelical christian and I think Evangelical Christian bollox is far far worse than any kneejerk atheist bollox.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link
"generally" is a key word there, so Islam is not cult. There are some extremeist Islamic cults though.
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link
― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
put away cs lewis who tells you what you want to hear and read 'the perennial philosophy' by aldous huxley, or some alan watts
― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link