― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/procedures/0,2540,3,00.html
friendlies count, but nowhere near as much as qualifying or continental champs matches (is there an oceania continental championship?)
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:55 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
I presume we're behind the USA because our record in friendlies (which have a multiplication factor of 1.0x, vs 1.5x for EC/WC qualifiers, 1.75x for EC finals and 2.0x for WC finals) is quite poor and perhaps something to do with the absurd privileging for the Confederation Cup (also 1.75x). Hey, it's FIFA's baby, they can do what they want.
― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
eng 1990 was a good draw, '96 was home advantage. In either case nobody could be bothered with penalties. don't know abt '82 and '86 tho'.
Portugal are really overrated. Midfield was ok.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link
'82 we blew it'86 that fat bloke chucked it in
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
90? Waddle's hair made him miss
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link
82 - good team, there for the taking, Keegan fucks it. Who can say. We'd have played the French in the semi having already beaten them. Gnash gnash.
86 - Cheating Diego does for us.
All in all, during tournaments in my lifetime, the only time I've thought we didn't have a chance is 2000 - Keegan's team were just clueless. Even 92 was on the back of an unbeaten run in qualfiying - we were in the pot of favourites for that tournament with the French, and there were only 8 teams. in 2002, we went out and you can't complain really - we were outplayed. All others have an element of maybe and what if that makes for the optimism.
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
2000 is also galling though. The first ten minutes against Porugal showed the potential and I still think Figo's long range effort was a fluke (via Adam's inner thigh). But that doesn't excuse the Romania game.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link
Can I point out that I am a Celtic fan who supports Scotland? And isn't Irish at all, and don't want to be either? kthanxbye...(though I'm not a nutcase, which may have some bearing on this).
And while we're at it:
feel like a total prude saying this, but sports fans in Britain really do take soccer beyond a game. They'll turn anything into an excuse to get pissed and spout vitriol at other countries.
...Excuse me, sports fans in ENGLAND
Er, no, SCotland too (no experience of Welsh or Northern Irish fans with regard to this). Part of the fun of tournaments where Scotland aren't involved is the temporary re-allocation of affection for whoever England are playing. This isn't big or clever, but it's no worse than wanting Man U/Germany/Rangers to lose just because you don't like them.
And the "Celtic fans don't talk about 1967 much" is bollocks. They have been trotted out at least twice this season at Parkhead (on the oh-so-significant 37th anniversary of the Cup win), and won the vote for the name of the new stand over Fergus McCann, a man who actually deserved to have the stand named after him.
Which leads me to conclude Dadaismus hasn't got a clue since he left the country he seems to love so much.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago) link
Substitute 'every bit as bad as' for 'no worse than'
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago) link
Fuck, why bother going into competition with other people if you want everyone to win?
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link
Also, if you notice, I actually said "temporary re-allocation of affection for whoever England are playing" which is not the same as saying I hate England. Neither is "because you don't like them". But hey, if it makes you feel better, I'll capitulate to the wishes of the rest of the world and wish you all the best for this, and every other, tournament.
Unless you're playing us.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago) link
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link
I should have taken my laptop to the pub on Friday rather than attempt real conversations with people.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago) link
If they could do this all year round, please?
― Herve Villechaize, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link
there's too much effort put into competing. we'd accomplish / produce more if we put the same effort into collaborating.
― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:18 (twenty years ago) link
*shakes head*
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:29 (twenty years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:43 (twenty years ago) link
― chris (chris), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:46 (twenty years ago) link
Congratulations, Mark, you have just described everything wrong with socialism.
However, to reply to Matt DC, I'm sorry, but that "collaborative" of teams is just not something that I seem particularly stressed. Collaboration != us vs. them attitude and conflict.
― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:48 (twenty years ago) link
There's also the vast international level of collaboration needed to stage the event in the first place.
I mean, I can't really see anything to your argument other than "why can't we all just get along?" Which is all well and good, but why can't we all just get along and play football as well? There is no intrinsic link between sport and violence, or sport and ugly nationalism (when was the last time there was a cricket thing) - you have to address the underlying cultural problems (ie why the English are such cunts when it comes to this sort of thing).
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago) link
I'm now beginning to sense the frustrations that Atheists feel when they post on the discussions about religions.
― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:51 (twenty years ago) link
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 07:54 (twenty years ago) link