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When you say "two year lifespan" to a model, are you really talking about the industrial design of it then, Supercub? Is that the big thing? A whole new look is unlikely this year, yes.

Alba, Saturday, 5 March 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, basically the external hardware, including design. Is form factor the right term? As best i understand, the internals are kind of on a two-year cycle, and the design is on a two-year cycle, but the two don't align. Meaning the internals of the 3Gs are closer to the 4, than the 3. But the design of the 3Gs more closely resembles the 3. So the 5 would look like the 4, but maybe have a new processor and possibly a RAM boost(?).

I would need someone more technically clued in to confirm this impression though.

Super Cub, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link

That's what I think will happen, yeah.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

oh except the internals of the 4 are quite different in that Apple's own chip (A4) is in the 4 but some old third party chip was in the 3GS iirc.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

My view of iPhone upgrades is informed by my experience with the 3G. I got the 3G in the February following its release. The 3Gs came out a few months later. I was pretty okay with having the older version, because the design was similar. I didn't really concentrate on the performance boost, because the 3G seemed like such a dramatic upgrade from my previous phone. Now though, my 3G is getting kind of horrible and the 3Gs seems still to be a solid performer.

Super Cub, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

oh and the 4's screen has 4x the pixels of the 3GS xp

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah the 3GS is solid mainly because it has twice the memory of the 3G. The processor bump helped too, but I think memory is the main problem with the 3G. 128 Mb RAM is sort of ridiculous.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nerd.jpg

me, this morning

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Debating selling my 'late 09' 27" iMac i7 for one of the new 15-inchers and an external monitor (pretty much an even trade of iMac to MBP, external monitor would be extra). Thunderbolt would make external HDs much less of a PITA.

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I still find having to unmount the external HD before "undocking" from external HD a bit of a PITA, especially when it turns out iTunes is using it. Thunderbolt won't solve that, though one day perhaps there will only be one cable connection to unplug.

Alba, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

(when you've got your MacBook hooked up to external display etc, as I do)

Alba, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

timoreilly Tim O'Reilly
If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one? http://bit.ly/ijLp2K
27 minutes ago

this^^ i feel like is a result of the fact that apple isnt as good at the internet as it should be - rumored me.com/itunes overhaul still hasnt arrived - basically there needs to be a free automatic aspect of yr ios device that lives in the cloud - imo biggest problem w/the whole situation

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe wireless providers are concerned about network overload

Super Cub, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

xp yep, 'post-PC' is 100% marking wank and irrelevant unless it actually happens. You can't show a tablet being a guitar and say 'LOOK THE DEATH OF PCS' yet every second tech blog has swallowed the slogan hook line and sinker.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

this^^ i feel like is a result of the fact that apple isnt as good at the internet as it should be - rumored me.com/itunes overhaul still hasnt arrived - basically there needs to be a free automatic aspect of yr ios device that lives in the cloud - imo biggest problem w/the whole situation

nobody is as good at the internet as they should be for this to happen. see tons of people running super outdated versions of android bcz the "last mile" ISP (read: cell phone company) hasn't bothered to push updates (takes up $$$ bandwidth)

El Tomboto, Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Apple's in the best position to force that though. All it has to do is announce it's shoving itunes in a cloud and suddenly telcos will scramble to make sure they don't lose all their business. No Android manufacturer has that clout.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah obvs isps are terrible at the internet but if apple showered half the love and attention on teh net as they do on their devices we would already be living in an irl post pc utopia

i mean w/e this im sure is what their lol hueg new data center is for and itll all be done soon but still

ice cr?m, Saturday, 5 March 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Apple's just not very good at services and social imo, I mean look at Ping. Mobileme is ridiculous and has been for years and itunes is pulsing vomit.

Fannypack's "Camel Toe" (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 5 March 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe they'll bring back ecards for iOS 5. Fukwits.

Don't think this two-year cycle thing is solid yet. When they were under pressure with G4s they churned out new cases every 18 months. iPods went even quicker iirc.

stet, Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I've gone to some effort to reproduce it on 850 MHz and 2100 MHz networks and can't make it lose a single bar.

Also this isn't hard to do on every 4 I've seen. Better after the upgrade, but still possible to kill signal, especially in low reception areas. Don't think it's a huge issue (much better reception than 3GS) but all the butthurt Applers screaming on Twitter that it was totally impossible and only affected three ppl neway were way off.

stet, Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

how would they swing a bigger screen on the iphone 5 - wouldn't they have to lower the DPI in order to maintain compatibility with iOS? I know nothing of displays, btw

Neu! romancer (dayo), Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah if it was physically bigger they'd have to lower the dpi. Don't see them making it bigger.

stet, Sunday, 6 March 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

fred wilson is p otm abt re the superiority of androids notification approach http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2011/03/mobile-notifications.html

seems like that sort of thing just isnt in line w/apples vision for what ios is all abt tho idk

ice cr?m, Sunday, 6 March 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

otm post. Whatever Apple does it has to get rid of the disgusting pop-ups that obliterate everything you're doing.

Last week I saw a hacky iOS prototype showing a bar that sort of hangs from the top of the screen. The problem with that is that it hangs in front of the top row of apps on the home screen, which you can't access until you acknowledge/clear the notification(s). There's no way in hell Apple would implement such a thing but it's roughly 28,000 times better than the current 'solution'.

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Sunday, 6 March 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Well unless you enlarge the screen specifically for notifications and multitask icons

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 6 March 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know, call me crazy but i prefer not to be notified at all and just look at the badge numbers

Nhex, Sunday, 6 March 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^ 1000 x this. I HATE being hassled every time I receive a bloody text. The whole point of a text is that you get to it when you're ready, not for it to stop you doing what you're doing.

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Then you hit "close" and not "view" right?

Or do you really get pissed off when your phone stops doing EVERYTHING when a call comes in?

mh, Monday, 7 March 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link

a phone call is not a text

Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Well yeah, but they're both phone-styled communications that people think have some importance.

I think there should be a "don't notify on new text message" option, though. I think of email and facebook messages and so on as more deferred, but I guess for many, text messages are deferrable.

mh, Monday, 7 March 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

people text me important shit all the time

btw--i fixed the slowness in the maps app by turning off location sharing for it.

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Then you hit "close" and not "view" right?

Every single time.

Or do you really get pissed off when your phone stops doing EVERYTHING when a call comes in?

YES. Bloody thing needs to have a bar at the top or something (like the tethering bar) that says 'yu0 has a phoen call' that you can ignore.

Single best thing about ipads is that they don't do phone calls or texts therefore you can choose to be never interrupted by anything ever.

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link

oh and max, if you're getting texts that must be answered RIGHT AWAY then your acquaintances are doing it wrong.

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link

no

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Well yeah, but they're both phone-styled communications that people think have some importance.

― mh, Monday, March 7, 2011 10:46 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

calls are real-time, text messages are turn based, pretty big diff I think

Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Yep. It's like people who send you an email then march over to your desk like 20 seconds later asking you why you haven't read it yet. If person A needs to speak to person B urgently why is person A sending a text ffs

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link

texts are much faster and more to the point than calls

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Schlafsack, have you considered just giving people a Google Voice number or whatever? I mean, it sounds like you don't give a shit about using your phone as a phone, and that lets you ignore most calls at your whim.

mh, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link

we don't have google voice here

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link

if i have an urgent message for someone why would i call that person, wait for the ring, exchange hellos, give them the information, etc

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link

def, it makes much more sense to send them a text that probably gets shuttled to the background while the person is furiously engaged in playing angry birds

Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link

its really not my fault that none of you have any idea how to use your phones

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

this is like when tracer was all bummed that he couldnt save drafts of his text messages

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

^^ real talk

mh, Monday, 7 March 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I have heard the youngs are getting thousands of text messages per day so it probably interrupts their angry birds and web browsing and suchwith, but I haven't had that prob yet.

mh, Monday, 7 March 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked it much better when the iphone just displayed the text of the text on the unlock screen, I guess they changed it to better protect privacy but you shouldn't be sexting in the first place, is my position on that

Neu! romancer (dayo), Monday, 7 March 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

OI I HAVE TO SPEAK TO YOU RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY THAT IS WHY I HAVE LEFT THIS MESSAGE FOR YOU TO FIND WHENEVER YOU HAPPEN TO LOOK AT YOUR PHONE

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link

you dont have to "find" text messages, your phone makes a noise, sometimes it vibrates as well

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link

noise & vibration last longer if you call y'know

Head goes goes goes (Schlafsack), Monday, 7 March 2011 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link

yes, i know

max, Monday, 7 March 2011 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link


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