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btw, isn't Hamlet about a kid?

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I like a lot of things about network but it really is kind of like watching one of those 72 Monologues For Young Actors books from Theater II class adapted for the screen

― TOMBOT, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

well, that's what happens when you start by writing live TV plays. Rod Serling's movies, tho I like a couple of em, are almost as windy and lecturey as Chayefsky's.

Some scholars think Hamlet could be as old as 40.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh, Network is littered with comic book characters/situations, e.g. Sybil the Soothsayer, the Mao Zedong Hour.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Some scholars think Hamlet could be as old as 40.

I'd like to know how old those scholars are.

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(spare me the "no one under XX-years-old can be a scholar" bit.)

― Eric H., Friday, 4 May 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

easy, Glowstickman!

In has been said by many that in the first four acts of the play Hamlet seems to be a young man, a student, and that his acquaintances are also students and youthful associates but that in Act V the impression, based on the remarks of the grave-digger Clown, is that Hamlet is 30 years old. It has been suggested that it may have suited Shakespeare's dramatic purposes to make Hamlet 30, or perhaps he forgot or simply did not care.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

A big problem I have with that article is the "Michael Chabon now being forced to write comic book adaptations" bit, because that's what writers have to do. He seems to have completely missed the Adventures of Kavalier and Klay, as Chabon demonstrates an obvious love for the comic book form and the impact it can have on someone.

Instead of bitching, why not celebrate the fact that critically accepted and decent writers are working on these projects to make them better? I think Spider-man 2 is fantastic, and quite an achievement. If he feels differently, that's fine, but don't try to make out that he worked on it as some sort of portent for the end of all films.

I really wish they had brought him back for 3, though. God it really needed him. And an editor. And, and I hate to say this, the Sam Raimi that directed 2. And Alfred Molina. And a lot of things, really.

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if Chabon wants K&K to be a film, tho.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost-And the Escapist comic books... and the McSweeneys adventure tales book with Howard Chaykin illustrations etc etc etc. Chabon obviously loves comics and probably enjoyed more then the paycheck from Spiderman 2, which was an awesome movie.

― dan selzer, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope not. He should leave it. Though it is the only novel of his I've ever read, and I quite enjoyed the film adaptation of Wonder Boys, so maybe it could be good. maybe. probably not.

xpost

― Gukbe, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

writing off entire mediums without engaging in their more challenging aspects always = DUDDIEST THING IN THE FUCKING WORLD

From Hell is an awful film. (although to be fair if anyone's gonna complain about the words-to-images ratio in comics they certainly have never read From Hell itself, which is LOADED to the gills with a lot of complex writing/dialogue)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

(or Cerebus - large chunks of which are composed of nothing but text and maybe one image per page)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

From Hell obviously not for adolescents either - no one without a serious interest in history and literature (and mythology) would be able to understand it at all.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

lol the godfather is possibly the worst possible example dude could have chosen, it's based on a totally trashy pop novel of much less literary worth than your average spider-man comic

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that I went to a midnight showing of this and got only 3.5 hours of sleep because of it. So disappointing and so not worth it, sadly.

― ENBB, Saturday, 5 May 2007 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link

the bit that makes me shake my head most is this:

works whose protagonists speak in dialogue balloons...Not only isn't it Shakespeare, it's not even Stephen King.

How is reading a Shakespeare play different from reading a work where the characters speak in dialogue balloons?!

― aaron d.g., Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I took my last exam EVER this morning, on 1 and a half hours of sleep, went into town to watch it despite the fact that I had plans for the evening, and wound up just being too bloody tired to do anything to celebrate the end of university.

Totally not worth it. But Venom was kind of cool. But NO TONGUE!!! WTF?

― Gukbe, Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Just as good as (or no worse than) Spidey 1 and 2. Took my 12 year old, and the theatre was shockingly empty, but this was worth it, and if a 12-year-old agrees then we really ought to listen as they're a combination of the least corrupted and most clued up demographic of all. Why don't we seem to want to acknowledge that this -- the source material, everything propping up the films, etc -- is a melodrama? An improbable soap in which everyone knows the same small circle of people in a city of, what, 8-12 million (which is fine, btw)? And that the cheesiness is as intrinsic to the story as the spider DNA (or radioactivity) is to Peter's makeup. Fuck, Stan Lee's cameo said it all. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Although, I agree, where the FUCK was Venom's TONGUE?

― Lostandfound, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i really shouldn't be reading all this before i go see it tomorrow

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I was disappointed. I didn't hold out hope, but once I found out Venom, played by Topher Grace (he's pretty good...his self-parody in Ocean's 12 was hilarious), I was at least looking forward to his role.

Too little screen time for him.

Movie Sandman = wtf.

― B.L.A.M., Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Lostandfound re: melodrama. Saw this yesterday and loved it because of, not despite, melodrama. Altho sometimes the tone slighly wrong - the Bad PP Dancing just reminded me of a deodorant ad.

― Zoe Espera, Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link

man, the reaction to this flick has been more mixed than (insert crappy joke related to fruit/nuts/blenders/miscegenation/etc. here).

this is X3 all over again, innit? but then again i didn't really mind that one.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

will report back later once i've actually seen it.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

is Topher Grace nude at any point?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 5 May 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The PP dancing thing was so wrong it was hard to watch. Also, EMO HAIR!

― ENBB, Saturday, 5 May 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

from VV review: "...soon to transform the mild-mannered Forest Hills dork into a monochromatic hipster sporting asymmetrical bangs, black eyeliner, and calf-hugging trousers. Our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man has become... MisShaped!"

A Pulp reference? How odd.

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

definitely better than x3

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

definitely! X3 was shockingly dissapointing.

I kinda loved how they threw in the quick shot where he consciously styles his new emo hair in the mirror. somehow so much better that way instead of it just appearing in the next shot (a la surly 5 o'clock shadow superman III etc.).

― Kim, Saturday, 5 May 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe it's because of lowered expectations from all the mixed buzz, but i liked this a lot (not as much as 2 though). a movie attempting to stuff so much into 2 1/2 hours is inevitably going to fall short in some areas but overall i thought it managed the juggling act respectably. i honestly didn't mind the corniness and the melodrama (i have to agree with Lostandfound, isn't that what these have always been about at heart?), and i even liked the "bad Peter" dancing and "yazz flute" homage. fanboys/nitpickers be damned.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

the emo hair WAS kinda lame though

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

the only thing worse than comic book movies made only for fans is comic book movies trying to impress "grown ups"

"oooh, spiderman 2 was a real delve into the psyche of FUCK OFF EAT MY ASS

pseudo-depth is the worst trend in movies in at least thirty years. i blame peter jackson. can't all these award winning directors and screenwriters just make a movie that's FUN.

oh, and hellboy, spiderman 2, and batman begins were all shit. really. get one tim burton, hollywood.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

get one adam west

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

the last thing any franchise needs right now is tim burton

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the last thing cinema needs right now is another franchise.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

no arguments from me on that point.

but when it comes to unnecessarily dour superhero flicks you might have a point with say, the Hulk or Superman Returns or Batman Begins (though i personally liked BB). but i would hardly call Spiderman 2 or Hellboy overly self-serious!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

spider-man 2's brilliance comes from the fact that it is one of the best examples of filmmaking in recent years. Wonderfully put together.

Batman Begins managed to be moody, fun, visually interesting, and whilst it is pseudo-depth, it at least acknowledges the issues of a costumed hero.

― Gukbe, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually thought the hulk was better than most of the rest, didn't bother my arse with superman returns.

hellboy not overly serious, just really really awful.

and, just for instance, the scene where spidey is 'one of us' in either 1 or 2 induces puke. spiderman 2 is a good example of the worst type of effects driven rubbish summer seems to bring every year.

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the hulk infuriates me everytime i remember those retarded hulk-poodles

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

is that a reference to fans, or the advertising people for the movie?

― darraghmac, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahahaha

no, the dogs that nick nolte gives the hulk-serum or whatnot to and they mutate into these awful-looking cgi critters that hulk has a brief battle with or something. i just remember it looking so ridiculous, even for a hulk movie.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

and then there's that stupid extra hulk versus dad fight (OEDIPUS SMASH) that seems like it was added just because the ILM dudes were bored and had some extra money or something.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

OEDIPUS SMASH

nice.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

better than a Bret Ratner movie? not much of a hurdle there

― gershy, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha before this there was a trailer for Rush Hour 3 and Roman Polanski was in it!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i called every theater, 50 miles from my house. and they're all sold out of tickets. even imax!! WTF?

― funny farm, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

$400 million opening day i hear

― latebloomer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

spider-man 2's brilliance comes from the fact that it is one of the best examples of filmmaking in recent years. Wonderfully put together.

so many things wrong with this sentence

― s1ocki, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

a touch overstated, perhaps.

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

cinema, Cinema, CINEMAAAAAA!!!

― kenan, Saturday, 5 May 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

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