Taking Sides: Atheism vs. Christianity

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If I fall asleep tonight before I've managed a solo orgasm then I know god doens't exist.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Ray Charles is God.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

Only if he helps me cum.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

making my way through some responses:

"haha i wasnt paraphrasing CS lewis on that one thats a standard question u must ask urself about Jesus..... he has to be one of those 4 "

I would suggest you don't think any standard questions MUST be asked.

"The trouble with religion is that it’s based on the principle of “don’t ask questions; just have faith” – this is pure intellectual laziness."

Not nessicarly. I'm relgious and I know many other religious people that try to find all these difficult (don't ask) questions. That's the best way to reaffirm one's faith. It's a very taxing intellectual process.
I do agree that many many people don't want to bother with any intellectual difficulties and that kind of sucks for them. They take the approach of "I have faith, that's all I need. I love God, but I'm not going to think about it"

I'm not saying that one should rely on intellectualism to find a faith. That's something man can't do for himself.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I spose that means Stevie Wonder is Christ.

x-post

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

ANd why do i care wat godless heathens think i care because i dont want anyone going to hell.

Well...if God exists then He gave me the ability to think logically and rationally. Using this ability, I have come to the conclusion that God in the Christian sense does not exist. (I'm not saying this is the ONLY rational conclusion one can come to, just the one I have come to). So, how can he damn me to hell for using and relying on the abilities He himself has bestowed upon me. Seems like a shitty thing to do.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link

Athiests don't knock on my door and try and make me feel guilty for not not going to church.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

Well since u just said said God gave u the ability to think logically and rationally therefore u just said God exists.

― B .Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

do you know the meaning of the word 'if'?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Obviously. How many spoons did they use to scoop out your brain?

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

How old are you?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

24.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

Not you, sleepywanker.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

My new name!

― sleepywanker (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

WEll to answer ur statement Lahtuos Christians generally dont do the door to door thing tahts the mormans and jehova witnesses which r cults. IF there r some that make u feel guilty then they r in the wrong just like during the Crusades or any other time Christians do stupid things no bodies perfect Christians act stupid all the time i would never go up to u and say im better then u or think im perfect. CS lewis once said (paraphrased) Christians rnt better then nonbelievers there just better off. So any CHristian who thinks hes better is in the wrong and u would be judgemental to think that all Christians r like that.

― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

oops if theres one thing i cant stand more than evangelical christian bollox its kneejerk atheist bollox. god does not "damn you to hell" for using your rational capacities or questioning his existence - those are not tenets of intelligent moderate christianity they are a childs eye-view of a grown-up faith

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― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

well then why would i be going to hell?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

and B how are those cults and Christianity is not?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

the fact is it takes considerable mental exertion for either side to question or quash the other's philosophy - i mean in terms of a real debate, not hyperble, reduction and name-calling. both are strong, principled positions with a lot of weight, history and intellectual clout

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

pete i'm not arguing with the "tenets of modern xianity", I'm arguing with this joker.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

"ANd why do i care wat godless heathens think i care because i dont want anyone going to hell. "

I sorry to let you know this, but all godless heathens do go to hell. Think of it from their point of view, there is no god and there is no hell it's just like they expect. Now think of it from you point of view; God chooses some people they aren't godless they don't go to hell.

Having said this, you have no idea who was choosen godless or not. So it is possible that god working through your actions reveals someone as not godless (according to his plans) etc etc if God etc etc is sovereign etc etc.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I'm convinced by these confusing and badly spelled arguments. I'm becoming Christian. YAY JESUS!

― sym (shmuel), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

Cults r groups that dont follow the Bible. Like the mormans say Jesus is Satans Brother well the Bible clearly states satan was an Angel and JEsus is God. therefore making them false.

― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

"if theres one thing i cant stand more than evangelical christian bollox its kneejerk atheist bollox."

I'm an evangelical christian and I think Evangelical Christian bollox is far far worse than any kneejerk atheist bollox.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

So Islam is a cult?!?

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

'the bible says a lot of things'

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

A. Nairn i know godless heathens going to hell but do i want them to go to hell no! therefore i try and show them Jesus which u should be doing rather then arguing with me on little things that dont matter things u um take to literally. Shouldnt u be trying to show godless heathens Jesus isnt that the job God has laid before all Christians.

― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

a cult is "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false"

"generally" is a key word there, so Islam is not cult. There are some extremeist Islamic cults though.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

Yes Islam is a cult since they twist the teachings of Jesus

― B. Robinson, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

yowza

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

so does Christianity, thus Christianity is a cult. Thank you, goodnight.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

B. it's just that trying to use (partly faulty) reason to convince a nonchristian to become a Christian it is not going to work for these very reasonable people. Many of them have already thought about this a lot. I sure a simply put response like "I suggest you look into thinking more about your life and existance and religion. I know it's help out my life a lot, and you may like it. God does say that if you ask him for an undersatnding of him he will help you." or something along those lines. human reason is too a faulty thing to try and percieve something as complicated as God.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

believe it or not i just spent the last five minutes scanning all b.robinson's posts on this thread with the intention of defending him
i was going to say 'with the exception of the 'godless heathen' remark he's being reasonable and interesting' - but now you've lost it

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

How is Christianity a cult?

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

In my post change the (partly faulty) to (awfully faulty)

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

A Nairn God does say if u ask him sincely to show himself to u he will do it John 7:17

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

i love the fact that hundreds of millions of human beings are clearly engaged in a deeply personal/social spiritual process around the world, and idiots like b.robinson dismiss that with one sentence

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

How dare u claim wat i have said is faulty have i not said Jesus was God have i not tried to convay that all uve done was point out simple mistakes in wat u think im saying and try and attack me on that did not Jesus say a house divided will not stand. I have taught nothing wrong wat ive said is in the BIble u were once a godless heathen to but u've found grace have u not any godless heathen can find grace and anyone who so desires can.

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

you demented fool robinson don't you realise god is most in the things that seem alien to your personality and comprehension

put away cs lewis who tells you what you want to hear and read 'the perennial philosophy' by aldous huxley, or some alan watts

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

yes, I know. And I feel that is a very important verse. I think that is the single goal of a persons life. The one action that anyone could take is simply to ask to be given an understanding. Trying to work or buy salvation is wrong.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

R u a Christian pete

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

THen wat r u getting at with me A Nairn

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

(xpost that's a respones to John 7:17 post)

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

In order to get people to take what you say seriously, you should really learn how to type and construct sentences and paragraphs.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

Another thing i cant convince anyone to believe in God thats wat God does i just simply reveal and for that reason its our duty as Christians to plant the seed

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

no im not a christian but i believe in the 'truthfulness' of christian spirituality

i also respect meister eckhart more than st paul

― pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

Ok oops i'll construct properly structured sentences just for you.

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

"THen wat r u getting at with me A Nairn"

I'm getting at that you are trying to reason out the existance of God and the truths of Christiany. You are human. Your reason is not perfect. Only God can make some one a Christian. They cannot make themselves a Christian.

John 7:17 (I don't think that's the correct listing for that verse) is important because that is the only relevant (on a spiritual level) action a man can take.

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't mean to be a dick by telling you that. But by writing how you do, it's hard to not think that you're a moron.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Then why do you have this site A. its all for debating which is using words and anytime you teach its using words. Therefore as Christians we should not tell others becuase we cannot change people.

― Brooks Robinson (B. Robinson), Friday, 23 January 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

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