i understand the need for a response, but i thought the doc made it very clear that they were describing how they perceived duke and hill at the time--and yeah it was ugly and wrong, but jalen especially was upfront about how it came from his own resentment.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
― reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
wow eloquent as hell
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link
haha grant hill talking about how duke players totally aren't uncle toms and lists Tommy Amaker in his defense
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
That's a pretty serious thing to say. Why, because he coaches Harvard?
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Thursday, 17 March 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link
it wasnt a serious thing to say, it was a joke
― ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
grant hill thing is worth it for the kicker
― max, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Fab Five couldnt hold a candle to UNLV for early '90s baddassness.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 March 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
my god the dupree one was so good, definitely in the top fivethe whole thing was worth it for the moment where marcus watches his high school self with this mix of awe and sadness and wonder and confusion and it's all right there on his face.
― Zombie Chekhov's Significant Hacksaw (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:09 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
saw the Dupree one last night...jesus what a talent...yeah that part you mentioned was really heartbreaking but sweet at the same time.
the thing that really got me, that just showed how some of these kids have such a small worldview and are thrown into these high pressure situations..it's like when he finally decides to listen to his mom and friends and ask for something from oklahoma, all he can think to ask for with all that money being thrown around is a double wide trailer in mississippi
― free karl kani (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
really looking forward to the long discussed bartman.Fab five was good, but without webber felt incomplete. That dude is NEVER gonna talk on this, is he.
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
well in hindsight it looks like weber might have been smart to stay out of it!
i didn't know they were doing a bartman one! crazy.
― free karl kani (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/03/chicago-cubs-fan-steve-bartman-catching-hell-again-at-tribeca-festival/1
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Cant wait to see the Bartman one.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 11 April 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I will stop what I'm doing and watch that Marcus Dupree one every time I see it's on. Just saw it the fourth time and it's still just as good as the first time I saw it.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yea i got caught up in it again for a while too
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
just watched the smu one for the first time. college football as a system is so fucked up and fascinating. it was briefly touched on in the documentary how the whole paying kids to play thing isn't partic clear-cut morally: the players come from poor families and college football generates tons of money. i don't really know anything about it, so i'm sure this is a total noob question, but what if they just starting paying the players legitimately? i guess it fucks with the whole college is supposed to be about education thing, but i doubt those players are getting great educations under the status quo.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
there's litigation underway right now to do just that but the ncaa is a goliathhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/ncaa-lawsuit/
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you! do you guys have *thoughts* about this lawsuit or compensation for student athletes more generally?
― horseshoe, Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
all student athletes should be paid a flat fee across the board with a structured bonus schedule for personal and team achievements. doesn't have to be a ton of cash but players should absolutely receive compensation and better players should receive better compensation. It can be regulated by the NCAA and flat across the board so big colleges don't get a leg up. But that would harpoon colleges that are already paying their players and would screw up some legacies so
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
the new batch of docs
Tuesday, Sept. 27, 8 p.m. – Catching Hell (Alex Gibney/Gary Cohen) *120 minutes Tuesday, Oct. 4, 8 p.m. – Renée (Eric Drath) *90 minutes Tuesday, Oct. 11, 8 pm. – The Dotted Line (Morgan Spurlock/Jeremy Chilnick) Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8 p.m. – Unguarded (Jonathan Hock/Philip Aromando) Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. –The Real Rocky (Jeff Feuerzeig/Mike Tollin) Tuesday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. – Charismatic (Steve Michaels/Jonathan Koch) Tuesday, Nov. 8, 8 p.m. – Roll Tide/War Eagle (Martin Khodabakhshian)
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/07/27/espn-films-announces-tv-schedule-for-new-documentaries/99047/
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:44 (twelve years ago) link
Catching Hell is the Bartman one, right?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
o man is the charismatic one on the horse?
― balls, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
yes & yes
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
awesome awesome awesomereally looking forward to these.
― Dudley Daigle: Tugboat Captain (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Looking forward to all of them, but especially the last one for obvs reasons. SWEET HOME ALABAMMY!
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
:D
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
this bartman 1 kinda sucks
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
at least these aspie lawyers who wrote the "bartman report" (lol) probably really like baseball; gibney does not seem like an actual fan, not that it matters
u kinda need da bartman 2 talk 2 make this worthwhile imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:23 (twelve years ago) link
aw that's too bad tho i guess i don't feel bad about forgetting to dvr it.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
i missed the first hour
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
buckner stuff was pretty unnecessary
the aspie attorneys should have been the whole show.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
in retrospect, unless you're getting bartman or his family on camera, it's prob hard to do the story w/o it feeling a bit repetitive
altho the stuff w/ the security guard was interesting
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
I missed it, and i dont have DVR anymore cuz im in the process of moving to Atlanta. Im sure they'll replay it.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
My brief thoughts on the Bartman doc:
Cubs fans are savages.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 8 October 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
We have met the enemy, and he is us
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 8 October 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
Renee doc was pretty interesting. I didn't know much about that story.
― polyphonic, Sunday, 9 October 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
It was really depressing. She seems to regret the sex change
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Monday, 10 October 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's more that she wishes it didn't have to happen. It was inevitable, but still fucked a lot of things up.
― polyphonic, Monday, 10 October 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
charismatic one was good. i wonder what poster dmr thought of it
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
This documentary on Scott Hall is pretty sad.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
Anybody see the Wepner one? I liked it, but they really didnt need to connect it with "Rocky" so much. the story stands on its own. And the video of him and Ali on the Mike Douglas show and Ali telling Douglas that Wepner called him a n----r, is mindblowing.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
some of the effects like when they insert spurting blood out of a still photograph is dumb but i guess you work w/ what you have
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
I thought Wepner was dead for some reason. But I think I got him mixed up with Jerry Quarry.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
didnt realize the story is also gonna be a biopic, notably w/ a writing credit by jerry stahl
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932720/
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
so can anyone who followed college bball in the mid 90s tell me if chris herren was actually a thing? i had never heard of this guy but he was def from the period when i was paying the least attention.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ harvey updykes hat collection. i enjoy thinking abt how he reacted 2 their loss 2 lsu last wk
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 12:51 (twelve years ago) link
Having been a Bama fan my entire life, I was mildly irritated at some of the play calls. Updyke is the type of fan who was probably calling for Saban's head (those people were out there!).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
I realize that doc had an objective, and it was to play up the die hard nutso fan aspect, but there are many more reasonable, agreeable fans of both teams all over the state and the whole southeast. Finebaum's radio show is to Alabama sports what Glenn Beck's show is to political discussion.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:29 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 November 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link