Taking Sides: Atheism vs. Christianity

Well...if God exists then He gave me the ability to think logically and rationally. Using this ability, I have come to the conclusion that God in the Christian sense does not exist. (I'm not saying this is the ONLY rational conclusion one can come to, just the one I have come to). So, how can he damn me to hell for using and relying on the abilities He himself has bestowed upon me. Seems like a shitty thing to do.

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I sorry to let you know this, but all godless heathens do go to hell. Think of it from their point of view, there is no god and there is no hell it's just like they expect. Now think of it from you point of view; God chooses some people they aren't godless they don't go to hell.

Having said this, you have no idea who was choosen godless or not. So it is possible that god working through your actions reveals someone as not godless (according to his plans) etc etc if God etc etc is sovereign etc etc.

I'm an evangelical christian and I think Evangelical Christian bollox is far far worse than any kneejerk atheist bollox.

"generally" is a key word there, so Islam is not cult. There are some extremeist Islamic cults though.

put away cs lewis who tells you what you want to hear and read 'the perennial philosophy' by aldous huxley, or some alan watts

i also respect meister eckhart more than st paul

I'm getting at that you are trying to reason out the existance of God and the truths of Christiany. You are human. Your reason is not perfect. Only God can make some one a Christian. They cannot make themselves a Christian.

John 7:17 (I don't think that's the correct listing for that verse) is important because that is the only relevant (on a spiritual level) action a man can take.

faith is a christians best weapon

that cannot be proved rationally

luckily the two are not mutually exclusive otherwise all christians would be monstrous madmen

rather than just some

im afraid to say cs lewis is wrong more times than he is right

No that's not true either. A person who just recently became a Christian can gain a lot from intellectually thinking about Christianity.

And Yes, it is a debate, not an attempt at evangalising. Evangalising is very good, but it should be the type where you say "look at this I can proove God exisits" it should be more along the lines of "look at yourself you may want to become Chrisitan"

Also, I already answered your question about the "you must pick one of these four" but you ignored my refutation. Please point me to the chapter and verse where Jesus says "I am God." I think you'll find the following quotations, attributed to Jesus, are as close as he comes: "You yourself have said it"; "no man comes to the father but by me"; "in my father's house there are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you"; and a few others along these lines. many great gurus, among whose numbers Jesus can comfortably be counted, say similar things all the time. and plenty of people are willing to die for such gurus. was heaven's gate on-the-money since those people were willing to sacrifice so much? how 'bout Jonestown? jeez man. here you are reppin' the world's most dangerous cult and you won't even bring your a-game.