well in hindsight it looks like weber might have been smart to stay out of it!
i didn't know they were doing a bartman one! crazy.
― free karl kani (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/03/chicago-cubs-fan-steve-bartman-catching-hell-again-at-tribeca-festival/1
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Cant wait to see the Bartman one.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Monday, 11 April 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I will stop what I'm doing and watch that Marcus Dupree one every time I see it's on. Just saw it the fourth time and it's still just as good as the first time I saw it.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yea i got caught up in it again for a while too
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
just watched the smu one for the first time. college football as a system is so fucked up and fascinating. it was briefly touched on in the documentary how the whole paying kids to play thing isn't partic clear-cut morally: the players come from poor families and college football generates tons of money. i don't really know anything about it, so i'm sure this is a total noob question, but what if they just starting paying the players legitimately? i guess it fucks with the whole college is supposed to be about education thing, but i doubt those players are getting great educations under the status quo.
― horseshoe, Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
there's litigation underway right now to do just that but the ncaa is a goliathhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/ncaa-lawsuit/
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you! do you guys have *thoughts* about this lawsuit or compensation for student athletes more generally?
― horseshoe, Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
all student athletes should be paid a flat fee across the board with a structured bonus schedule for personal and team achievements. doesn't have to be a ton of cash but players should absolutely receive compensation and better players should receive better compensation. It can be regulated by the NCAA and flat across the board so big colleges don't get a leg up. But that would harpoon colleges that are already paying their players and would screw up some legacies so
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
the new batch of docs
Tuesday, Sept. 27, 8 p.m. – Catching Hell (Alex Gibney/Gary Cohen) *120 minutes Tuesday, Oct. 4, 8 p.m. – Renée (Eric Drath) *90 minutes Tuesday, Oct. 11, 8 pm. – The Dotted Line (Morgan Spurlock/Jeremy Chilnick) Tuesday, Oct. 18, 8 p.m. – Unguarded (Jonathan Hock/Philip Aromando) Tuesday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. –The Real Rocky (Jeff Feuerzeig/Mike Tollin) Tuesday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. – Charismatic (Steve Michaels/Jonathan Koch) Tuesday, Nov. 8, 8 p.m. – Roll Tide/War Eagle (Martin Khodabakhshian)
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/07/27/espn-films-announces-tv-schedule-for-new-documentaries/99047/
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Catching Hell is the Bartman one, right?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
o man is the charismatic one on the horse?
― balls, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yes & yes
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
awesome awesome awesomereally looking forward to these.
― Dudley Daigle: Tugboat Captain (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Looking forward to all of them, but especially the last one for obvs reasons. SWEET HOME ALABAMMY!
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
:D
― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
this bartman 1 kinda sucks
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
at least these aspie lawyers who wrote the "bartman report" (lol) probably really like baseball; gibney does not seem like an actual fan, not that it matters
u kinda need da bartman 2 talk 2 make this worthwhile imo
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link
aw that's too bad tho i guess i don't feel bad about forgetting to dvr it.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i missed the first hour
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link
buckner stuff was pretty unnecessary
the aspie attorneys should have been the whole show.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
in retrospect, unless you're getting bartman or his family on camera, it's prob hard to do the story w/o it feeling a bit repetitive
altho the stuff w/ the security guard was interesting
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I missed it, and i dont have DVR anymore cuz im in the process of moving to Atlanta. Im sure they'll replay it.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
My brief thoughts on the Bartman doc:
Cubs fans are savages.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 8 October 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link
We have met the enemy, and he is us
― Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 8 October 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
Renee doc was pretty interesting. I didn't know much about that story.
― polyphonic, Sunday, 9 October 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
It was really depressing. She seems to regret the sex change
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Monday, 10 October 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's more that she wishes it didn't have to happen. It was inevitable, but still fucked a lot of things up.
― polyphonic, Monday, 10 October 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
charismatic one was good. i wonder what poster dmr thought of it
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
This documentary on Scott Hall is pretty sad.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124904
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
Anybody see the Wepner one? I liked it, but they really didnt need to connect it with "Rocky" so much. the story stands on its own. And the video of him and Ali on the Mike Douglas show and Ali telling Douglas that Wepner called him a n----r, is mindblowing.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
some of the effects like when they insert spurting blood out of a still photograph is dumb but i guess you work w/ what you have
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
I thought Wepner was dead for some reason. But I think I got him mixed up with Jerry Quarry.
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
didnt realize the story is also gonna be a biopic, notably w/ a writing credit by jerry stahl
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932720/
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
so can anyone who followed college bball in the mid 90s tell me if chris herren was actually a thing? i had never heard of this guy but he was def from the period when i was paying the least attention.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ harvey updykes hat collection. i enjoy thinking abt how he reacted 2 their loss 2 lsu last wk
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 12:51 (twelve years ago) link
Having been a Bama fan my entire life, I was mildly irritated at some of the play calls. Updyke is the type of fan who was probably calling for Saban's head (those people were out there!).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
I realize that doc had an objective, and it was to play up the die hard nutso fan aspect, but there are many more reasonable, agreeable fans of both teams all over the state and the whole southeast. Finebaum's radio show is to Alabama sports what Glenn Beck's show is to political discussion.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:29 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yes
― You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 November 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
so what are the best of these?
― Mordy, Sunday, 15 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
My top ten of those that's I've seen:
1. The Two Escobars2. June 17, 19943. The Best That Never Was4. The U5. Once Brothers6. Muhammad and Larry7. The Band that Wouldn't Die8. Renée9. No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson10. The Fab Five
― polyphonic, Monday, 16 January 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/espn-doubles-up-on-30-for-30-documentary-series/
YAY
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
My faves of these in order:The Two EscobarsThe Best That Never WasWithout BiasRun Ricky RunMarion Jones: Press PauseOnce BrothersPony ExcessThe Fab FiveJune 17, 1994No Crossover: The Trial of Allen IversonTim Richmond: to the LimitThe Birth of Big AirLittle Big MenMuhammad and LarryWinning Time: Reggie Miller v The KnicksInto the WindSmall Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?Guru of GoUnmatchedJordan Rides the BusFour Days in OctoberThe 16th ManFernando NationSilly Little GameThe Legend of Jimmy The Greek
― (Name Withheld to Avoid Hassle) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
awwwwwweeeesome!!!!!
June 17 1994 keeps coming up in my mind every now and again, I can't get over how powerful that one was.Once Brothers made me bawl so hard, but yeah Two Escobars was just wow. And that Dupree one was fantastic.
I was disappointed with Unmatched. Such a good story but they shot it like an Oprah special in that stupid beach house with their sweaters tied around their necks, it was like frickin Waiting to Exhale or something. Wished it had been more along the lines of the Fire and Ice, Borg/McEnroe doc on HBO.
I hope they do some more tennis ones.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
ESPN had a big marathon going on one of the networks this evening and I caught the ones on Marcus DuPree and the U. The DuPree one was excellent and the one on the U pretty good.
― earlnash, Monday, 23 July 2012 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
We're back baby!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEGUHdRW0CA"Broke" Billy Corben October 2, 2012The documentary explores the road to fortune in sports and the eventual detours to bankruptcy, as experienced by top athletes including Bernie Kosar, Andrew Rison and Cliff Floyd.Note: This film premiered at the the Tribeca Film Festival.
"9.79*" Daniel Gordon October 9, 2012The 100-meter men's final at the 1988 Seoul Games was the fastest sprint in Olympic history. But within 48 hours, gold medalist Ben Johnson had tested positive for anabolic steroids and scandal trumped thrilling as the way to describe the race. More than two decades later, that race still haunts the eight men who took part and the film will take a look at what brought the men to the starting line and what happened to them since.
"There's No Place Like Home" Maura Mandt and Josh Swade October 16, 2012On December 10, 2010, Sotheby’s auctioned off the most important historical document in sports history: James Naismith's original rules of basketball. There’s No Place Like Home is the story of one fan’s obsessive quest to win the artifact at auction and bring the rules "home" to Lawrence, Kansas, where Naismith coached and taught for more than 40 years.
"Benji" Coodie and Chike October 23, 2012In 1984, 17-year-old Ben Wilson was a symbol of everything promising about Chicago: a beloved, sweet-natured youngster from the city's fabled South Side, and America's most talented basketball prospect. His senseless murder the day before his senior season sent ripples through Chicago and the nation.(78 minutes in length)Note: This film premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival.
"Ghosts of Ole Miss" Fritz Mitchell October 30, 2012In 1962, the University of Mississippi campus erupted in violence over integration and swelled with pride over an unbeaten football team. Mississippi native Wright Thompson explores the tumultuous events that continue to shape the state 50 years later.
"You Don't Know Bo" Michael Bonfiglio December 8, 2012Bo Jackson hit 500 ft. home runs, ran over linebackers, and—for a short period—he was the best athlete we had ever seen. You Don’t Know Bo takes a closer look at the man and marketing campaign that shaped his legacy. More than 20 years later, myths and legends still surround the famously press shy athlere, and his impossible feats still capture our collective imagination.
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 August 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
I'm moving this thread to ILE now; not really just ilnfl specific
― I dont even know that I think this sucks per se (forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 August 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I just saw this on ile and I was all "what is going on? the world is ending!"
But okay, you just moved it. No probs.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 August 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched three now.
Once Brothers had a very compelling story, but I thought it was a little stiltedly directed. I also found it hard to read Vlade... I could tell that he is now genuinely sorry to have been separated for so many years from his former teammates, but he seems maybe a bit tone deaf (esp. at the time) to the fact to the pressures this war put they and their families under. And while Vlade's explanation now about the flag thing makes some sense it's not clear how contrite he was at the time (and frankly given the events that were going on at that point I think he'd have to be really really contrite to make a difference). Also it's not clear what kind of public statements Vlade made about the war at the time either. Anyway still good, but definitely felt it could have been stronger.
The Allen Iverson Trial I really liked (I guess it might be a little dry for some folks. It manages the difficult feat of humanizing Iverson while at the same time not making him an object of pity (or even particularly likeable) which I think is a real trick. And the stuff on the trial is uniformly well done. Very honest filmmaking.
Birth of Big Air was definitely the lightest of the three and the thing that most stuck with me was how I felt incredibly sorry for Matt's wife. I also wondered how badly in debt this guy was from all his medical bills.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 11 August 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link