US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

meanwhile here you are...doing the opposite...on a messageboard...oh the irony

― k3vin k., Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im responding to u dudes, not waiting every couple minutes to reiterate how much smarter i am than ppl trying to make a difference

why is this a joke to you?

we've been over this dude - it's a total joke. I don't imagine trying to explain it will convince you otherwise & I'm glad that you think working from within the party will effect change. I would no more try to dissuade you from doing so than I would spend time trying to tell somebody not to pray.

but like you have your way of coping (the fairy tale of change from within) & people who bitch on ilx have theirs (bitching on ilx) - don't hate, you do yours & leave the disillusioned to theirs

glad youve decided grass roots change is a fairytale

would love to hear a legit reason why it works for the GOP but not for the D's

another fairy tale I don't believe: that anybody spelling it out for you would cause you to reflect or consider the opinion as anything but an opportunity to express your convictions. I know, I know: "same's true for you!" - true enough

Until I see a chance to latch onto a growing movement that could change the political dynamic, I will continue to fight the liberal rearguard action as best I can, and settle for small ameliorations within the larger slippage toward disaster.

if it makes you feel better, deej, 'blu dog cru' was only partially sideways potshot @ your willingness to defend Obama/Dems, and partially a potshot at unionbuster iatee along w/ max, whose 'i thought yall radicals would be down w trashing the Constiution" was prolley less sarcastic than I had at first estimated...

what is the evidence that it works for the GOP?

btw this killed me -- morbs for fuckin life

― Shakey Mo medvedev, Tuesday, May 29, 1985

― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:04 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

also i audibly gasped when i saw that photo of GG cuddling w/ his dog & boyfriend

i love unions! except the "union of the states" amirite

isn't the lesson of like the tea party & even fundamental christians that the GOP oftentimes gets motivated by outside forces

'i thought yall radicals would be down w trashing the Constiution'

huh when did I saw anything close to this

say

i said that dummy

i said "scrapping" tho not "trashing"

oh

I'm for it too btw I just didn't say it

i am kind of touched by the fact that ilx's "hard left," such as it is, still believes in the american project!

isn't the lesson of like the tea party & even fundamental christians that the GOP oftentimes gets motivated by outside forces

would love to hear a legit reason why it works for the GOP but not for the D's

Perhaps because the anti-regulation, pro-big business message that the Tea Party spreads is pretty good corporatist/plutocratic propaganda. Also perhaps this 'outside force' is funded by a billionaire family with a history of influencing conservative politics since the 1980s.

so its hopeless? why bother participating in these discussions then?

ive never seen a 'hard left' movement that was so hands-off on pushing actual functional change

Yeah it seems pretty easy to effect change from within if you're clamoring for more of what the people who've rigged the game want in the first place.

who is clamoring for that ?

your obama stan caricature needs work

i've said this before -- i pretty much agree w/ john as far as the "change from inside the party thing!" goes

the only thing i can conceive is working for someone like alan greyson? but even he was pretty much an outcast

wtf helpful shit did he accomplish

thats a therapeutic politician & his whole steez existed for no other reason than to let ppl be like "yeah!! speak truth to power!"

wtf helpful shit does anyone accomplish?

i feel like the GOP works to move policy further right while the democrats consequently battle & combat the GOP w/o enveloping moving the party left at all

tied in w/ that is a fundamental enthusiasm gap working against democrats

i dunno i consider passing progressive legislation to be 'helpful shit'
which has happened, if not to the degree that any of us would consider ideal
and now grayson is gone, because, as a democratically elected congressman, he stopped representing his actual district

well he was obviously not long for this world being a dem in central fla, but your tone has a certain "fuck that guy anyway!" bent to it which i don't really get

nah i mean i thought greenwald was right abt how the dems should have run more progressive candidates in red states across the board in '08 -- but when you've missed that boat you're stuck w/ the reps youve got

I guess most of those on the 'hard left' are contemptuous of 'working within the system', bcz for many elected Dems, working within the system = moving right of center

thats an understandable concern, the response to which imo should be vigilance rather than baby-out-with-bathwater, but w/e

But what does vigilance entail? What are its real-world manifestations? How does it not end up as griping on a message board?

i feel like the GOP works to move policy further right while the democrats consequently battle & combat the GOP w/o enveloping moving the party left at all

^^^^ this

But what does vigilance entail? What are its real-world manifestations? How does it not end up as griping on a message board?

― music loves drugs (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:18 AM (4 hours ago)

lots of question marks, sometimes exclamation points

glad youve decided grass roots change is a fairytale

But the Dems don't have any grass! that's mold.

why does npr pimping the fuck out of mcdonalds' pr campaign to hire 50k people in one day feel political (and make me want to kill myself)?

who is clamoring for that ?

I'm talking about GOP "grassroots" getting things done more than Democrats - when the Tea Party is yelling for less taxes and regulation on business, it's pretty easy to look like effective because the game riggers are happy to play along.

Anybody who thinks capitalism is going anywhere needs to pass me the bong.

nah i mean i thought greenwald was right abt how the dems should have run more progressive candidates in red states across the board in '08 -- but when you've missed that boat you're stuck w/ the reps youve got

the reps we get are the ones Dems insist are the only ones who merit support in the primaries - this isn't some "oh how'd we ever end up with these candidates?" - progressives in the primaries get a "look, nice thought, but we must be practical" response from party activists; this will happen again next year - lots of head-patting "oh you with your progressive thoughts, how darling - here, vote for this asshole who doesn't support reproductive choice & pray for rain" - this is "practical" i.e. cowardly, short-term-vision who's-got-the-money-in-the-near-picture thinking, and merits a "then you get nothing" response from anybody who's going to want to vote in politicians who'll fight to get back the rights that the elected Dems have sold for political capital

so its hopeless? why bother participating in these discussions then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwR1n0p1V7U

Unless capitalism can persist on a planet of finite and depleting resources, then I do think it will have to fundamentally change. I don't think the change will be voluntary, but more of the kicking and screaming type. But I do think it will come.

*takes a massive toke*

I don't dispute that there will (by necessity) be change, but what, besides capitalism can one propose? You can regulate it and tweak capitalism all you like, but a command economy isn't a likely alternative.

(Nice weed, btw)

capital will do just fine with depleting resources

aerosmith i agree w/ that paragraph, to an extent, in that this is something than can & does happen -- i just dont understand your defeatism or your idea that it has to be this way & that there's no way you can affect change. cf j0rdan's defeatism, "cant change why bother"

oh look

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53429.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265238/pro-life-dem-trouble-kathryn-jean-lopez