2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

lol if her lead holds @ 7-9% its exactly a stalemate - and were only closer to resolution because one more contest is out of the way

this reminds me of the fucking vikings, like season when we would start out like 7-2, then totally meltdown midseason....scrap together a few late season wins and be one game away from making the playoffs at 9-7 and our coaches would crow about all the "guts" it took to get back in it.

i don't want the president to be like the minnesota vikings.

I want the president to be like the Norse Vikings.

lol @ thanking john mellancamp

yikes CNN has it at 10 points now

drudge too

disappointing

ugh why cant he close the fucking deal

who are these people who all agree obama will be the eventual nominee but feel the need to relentlessly prolong the process

remember we'll need these people in November, so just stay cool

Daily Kos (w/ dels):

85% precincts reporting.
Vote% Dels

Clinton 55 40
Obama 45 37

So delegate wise, Hillary hardly wins any.

ugh why cant he close the fucking deal

-- deej, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 03:11 (1 minute ago) Link

stop with the clinton talking points plz

yah goalposts moved always

ehhh goalposts were moved by obama himself when he predicted 6-8 pts

fuck a clinton talking point, but it's a legitmate concern, his relative lack of support among key dem voting blocs.

he won 45 percent of white males. I think that's a pretty big chunk of support. It's not like she's totally blowing him out, and it's not like just because they vote for Clinton in the primary they're going to vote for McCain in the general...

unfortunately, i think the pivot from hil to mccain will be sorta easy for some of these folks : /

lack of support relative to the wife of a really popular ex-president, not to an old warmonger. That's not something to worry about.

xpost disagree

i hope i'm completely wrong/ overly pessimistic

8 p.m. | Polls Are Closing Suburban Montgomery County won’t have its results until at least 10 p.m., we just learned from election officials. This is crucial because Montgomery is the third biggest county in the state, and results will be meaningless without Montgomery, which is perceived as tilting toward Mr. Obama.

-- deej, Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

only 39% reported so far, although its 51/49 in favor of clinton atm

All this to erode Barack's lead by uh seven delegates?

how did barack get such a big delegate lead anyway.

by killing her in a lot of the smaller states he won, but staying close enough in the big states he lost to win a lot of delegates. if the democrats lose this year, look for a push to change the proportional allocation of delegates. in a winner-take-all system hillary would have sewn up the nomination at ohio and texas, if not before. t/s: a more truly democratic process vs. a process that gives you a nominee faster.

I'm getting reports that the margin is 8.6 per cent not 10 per cent.

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http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ has 8.5% as the margin but as any fool knows it's what gets reported on the night and in the morning papers that matters.

this reminds me of the fucking vikings, like season when we would start out like 7-2, then totally meltdown midseason....scrap together a few late season wins and be one game away from making the playoffs at 9-7 and our coaches would crow about all the "guts" it took to get back in it.

i don't want the president to be like the minnesota vikings.

m@tt this is so beautiful

Clinton/Zygi Wilf 08

Interesting comment on TPM re polls showing that roughly half of PA Hillary voters would vote for McCain in the GE if Obama was the candidate:

Jesus Greg, this poll has always been utter horseshit - let me explain why.. See, Obama supporters, feeling that he will be the nominee eventually, feel more generous about saying that they would support Clinton if it came down to that. Hillary supporters, knowing that her chances of becoming the democratic nominee are slimmer than Amy Winehouse's silhouette - are angrier, and express that in that nonsensical poll.

I think that's pretty OTM.

yah those people will come around

Hillary supporters, knowing that her chances of becoming the democratic nominee are slimmer than Amy Winehouse's silhouette

nice bit of confused gender-bashing there

There was an exit poll in which 14% of voters said race was an issue in their voting preference. So there's a stack of voters right there who aren't going to vote for Obama in the GE.

yep.

yah those people will come around

except for the racists, who will give McCain his margin of victory.

Zelda, that's an open-ended question; people could positively want a black man or a woman as Prez without race being a 'negative'. In this poll it was presented neutrally, not as prejudice. Estimates also that 3 points of the 8.6pc were Rush-holes.

Morbius, there are more non-bigots than bigots in America. Enough of the thoughtworms, plese.

HUGE Woman's Hour discussion this morning where Dianne Abbott and others said it was bullshit for HRC to campaign as a feminist when she's so reliant on her husband for her place in the world.

Cooler heads need to prevail - they may well - and I think Obama needs to go for the 21st century strategy in the sense that excoriating partisanship and the FUD ploys favoured by the GOP and recycled by the HRC campaign are divisive and inappropriate for 21st century life with its instant communications and rapid-cycling media; also Cold War attitudes/colour prejudice whatever the subject or object is sooooo C20, y'all get with the program. For the purposes of ordinary Americans, the century/millennium actually began 12 September 2001

Also please borrow hippity hoppity concepts like dignity, respect and representation which are actually transcendent, meaningful and appealing as part of a more broad and humane process. THEN let Fox and Friends go mental because it's RAP and alienate every single person 45 and under regardless of class or race (how much of their sponsors are pills and Depend?). Also up to our pals in the entertainment industry to 'raise concerns' about why we accept the 'performing' black guy/girl but resist the thinking one and ask us to please justify it. We can't.

The only area where Obama himself can 'raise concerns' is all to do with McCain's medical records, because that post-op cheek of his is looking A BIT TOO CHIPMUNK and head cancer may lead him to confuse The Button with The Clapper.

That there are more non-bigots than bigots in America doesn't mean the bigots can't decide an election.

Doesn't mean they can. AND ANOTHER THING bigots have called the shots for too long, the non-bigot majority knows it has to GOTV. At the beginning of this race the thing I said about Obama was at the very least this country would be getting one massive civics lesson.

I admire yr optimism and hope McCain starts drooling, but I've expected the worst from the electorate since 1980 and they havent surprised me yet.

also, Obama still looks like a corporate tool.

if the bigots decide they want more war, then maybe we're in trouble, but I think only the Klannest would prefer that more of their children die in war to voting for a minority.

huffpost and drudge as sick of this as everyone else

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I've expected the worst from the electorate since 1980 and they havent surprised me yet.

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:35 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

so u thought bill clinton was worse than bush 1 etc etc? (i wont even bring up david duke here except maybe parenthetically)

and the bigots may well decide they want more war, as this guy argued here:
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/imageDB.cgi?isbn=9780195168402

As the economy goes into freefall, even the bigots will realise they can't afford more war at the moment.

not necessarily every person who has some misgivings abt a black president will vote mccain - most people have things they dislike abt both candidates - some may decide they hate mccain more than even a black guy

Yeah. Being black will probably shave one or two percentage points off Obama, but ultimately recession + iraq will prove fatal to McCain.

My mom the part-time bigot is saying Obama, who she liked enough to want to vote for before her personal bugbear (affiliation w/religious nutter) got brought out by Fox, should talk up being part white, too. Whenever Obama says something she's like 'OMG he's right' in the moment but she keeps making lateral excuses as to why her vote's going to the not so healthy old guy at this stage.

The real bigotry focus this election will be immigration related, not candidate-related. The GOP guy wants an amnesty, which makes people like his supposed base and my mom angry because her grandparents 'followed the rules' and the Dems want to be able to license drivers from wherever as a safety issue because of runaway insurance costs, which looks like giving undocumented workers something rewardish, cue shitstorm.

TANGENT ALERT: The Dem approach alienates fewer current citizens and driving, with green concerns, needs to be 'deprivileged' while making sure all road users are licensed. I say as a non-driver, make passport the go-to ID for access to programs so the other 80 per cent of Americans get one and use it. Also detangles the whole here is my DRIVING license may I have some ALCOHOL thing, cue MADD endorsement, because that shit should only be relevant to driving.

I've expected the worst from the electorate since 1980 and they havent surprised me yet.

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:35 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

so u thought bill clinton was worse than bush 1 etc etc? (i wont even bring up david duke here except maybe parenthetically)

-- jhøshea

This has been amply discussed, but if you want more, take it to this thread.

xpost i doubt you would ever convince an american to walk around with his or her passport instead of a drivers license though

Passport is probably not going to be a booklet forever.

alfrd dont be lameo thread cop - and besides that thread doesnt even address what me n morbs were talking abt