US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

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but its not that brooks and friedman and (RIP) broder hate policy or numbers! they hate conflict. friedman in particular would love a country run by a council of technocratic geeks

actually, i stand corrected. max is 1,000% correct about brooks/friedman/broder. this troika isn't particularly GOOD about discussing policy in any meaningful way IMHO, but that is different than saying they are not concerned with policy or anti-technocrat.

The Funky Monkeys Is Comin'. Eat Our Shit and Suck Our Dick. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link

anyway, we're all morbz now. at least we know that next year's "lesser evil" candidate will be as much Bob Dole circa 1996 as Jimmy Carter (a comparison i've made myself since like the moment Barry threw his hat in the presidential ring several years ago).

The Funky Monkeys Is Comin'. Eat Our Shit and Suck Our Dick. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/157759-schumer-pressures-boehner-on-oil-subsidies-

So now the White House and Schumer have finally decided that ending oil company subsidies is a good idea? It is, but they should have tried earlier and I doubt they will now properly keep up the pressure on Boehner to do so (Republicans consider ending subsidies to be a tax increase) as it also makes political sense.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Bam is still an even lesser Bill Clinton to me, w/out a phony Prosperity Bubble to protect him

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

goddamn phony prosperity

my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

question: were there trillion-dollar federal deficits during Reagan's presidency or not?

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Several hundred billion -- first ever.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Which was fine: we ended the Cold War w/out firing a shot, made America strong, and gave millionaires tax breaks.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

2.85 trillion by the end of his presidency

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Adjusted, that's about 5.1 trillion

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

my mom wz watching lol Glenn Beck and he was graphing the national debt as a straight and level line that elevated slightly w/ Clinton, dipped pretty low w/ Dubya, and then divebombed w/ Obama...

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

wait what

my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

why would Glenn Beck be arguing that the national debt went DOWN under Obama

my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

watching it again, there's a slight dip to indicate that Reagan brought national deficit into 200 billion territory

xp my bad Shakes, the graph was surplus/deficit...mainly hung around zero until Reagan who had a 200B deficit, Clinton pulled it back into the surplus etc etc

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

his point seemed to be: remember when Dubya's deficit was bad; that's nothing compared to what Obama has done

(along w/ points about banks having literal boatloads of TARP money in reserve and the hyperinflation that releasing it would cause)

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry about that

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

meanwhile, vermont is set to ratify the nation's first single-payer health care system

http://www.wcax.com/story/14518224/vt-senate-approves-single-payer-plan

awesome

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

so glad the 50 people who live in Vermont finally have healthcare

my other display name is a porsche (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

man when is California gonna fall into the ocean already?

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

(<3 shakey!)

Dr. Suggestban, or How I Learned to Stop etc. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Overall, he cut the rate of growth in Fed spending from 4% to 2.5% and, to his credit, he reduced the early deficits as percentages of GDP from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987. If you don't remember the early years of his presidency, allow to point out that they were very bad; almost like the last several years bad. Unemployment was near 10% but that can be attributed in great part to the Fed keeping interest rates very high, the highest ever in modern markets, peaking at around 20% in 1980, so the beginning of the Reagan recession was really during the end of the Carter presidency.

The salient thing about Reagan overall is that he only cut spending by 1%; he basically transferred about 5% of annual public expenditures to the military while drastically cutting the maximum marginal tax rates and changing the emphasis on taxation from high earners and capital gains and onto payroll and new investment. It's a very mixed bag from the point of view of praxis. He treated business income more fairly across the board, ridding the code of many preferences for certain kinds of investments but raising it overall. His record on deregulation is overstated too; much of that was begun under Carter.

The marriage of military hawkishness along with classical economic theories, like the alliance of (classic) economic liberals and social conservatives in the party today, is sometimes a bit odd. Reagan wasn't proud of making the US a debtor nation but he was justly proud of his record wrt the USSR/Eastern Bloc and its economic and political collapse.

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

630 K ppl in Vermont, Shakey

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Unemployment was near 10% but that can be attributed in great part to the Fed keeping interest rates very high, the highest ever in modern markets, peaking at around 20% in 1980, so the beginning of the Reagan recession was really during the end of the Carter presidency.

Paul Volcker warned Reagan in '81 that the short term economic outlook would be very bad; he would be keeping a choke hold on interest rates until the economy was starved.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

And he did kill inflation

Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

good summaries of the early 80s economics-wise. kinda sad to think that we've gotten so low that reagan and tip o'neill's early 80s shenanigans look like up to us in 2011.

The Funky Monkeys Is Comin'. Eat Our Shit and Suck Our Dick. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

But the White House press secretary has been busy for the last 2 days dealing with questions on something else:

For the second consecutive day, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was peppered with questions about President Obama's birth certificate. It wasn't just some fringe reporter who worked his way into the briefing room -- the questions came from CNN's White House correspondent. Washington Monthly

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link

oh ffs Obama/White House

I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link

The phrase "live birth" always makes me think of snakes. Which is funny, because most snakes DON'T give live birth, they lay eggs, but I must have seen a nature program of a boa giving birth or something, and they made a big deal of it.

Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^ hardy har (re "full name of father")

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

weak. shoulda waited til summer 2012.

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link

looks fake

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link

yr killin me

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link

via twitter

GeneHogan
If Obama really wanted to convince the conservatives, he should have attached the birth certificate to a chain email written in all caps.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

LOLOL

also, the thought of a 5 year old bin laden impregnating hippie grad student is lols

confederate terror anchor babies (will), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

the 2 years of the Obamaniac Admin proves to me that he is a hardcore Alinsky leftist, but an incompetent leftist, with no knowledge of basic business or financial concepts, and without any leadership or management abilities. Separate and apart from that is my suspicion that he is a literary and political fraud who fabricated portions of his autobiographies and political resume. If my suspicions are correct, we should all know that before the next election. Simple really.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

"the very beating heart of kenya" always gets me.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

petraeus at CIA is pretty weird

goole, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

panetta as secdef seems equally strange. the guy was a chief of staff, a budget dude... don't you want some kind of rockribbed west pointish type dude as secdef?

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, look at Cap Weinberger.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah and you DON'T want a guy like that at CIA, is what people always say. damn spooks hate the military, or something...

xp

goole, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish Sydney Pollack was still alive so that Oliver Stone could cast him as Panetta in Bam: The Movie.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah and you DON'T want a guy like that at CIA, is what people always say

yeah

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^^ hoping someone would post this

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

really weird post alfred

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

the one that ends in 'simple really'

geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link


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