lol works for me
― no slouch of a snipster (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Mazel tov, Alfred!
― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Eric is the one threatening to relocate in the face of legal discrimination, I think he should be getting the bulk of the proposals.
― your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, but I'm running away from marriage to Alfred.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Works for me. You'll have to endure my screwball comedy collection though.
― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Sounds a lot like my conjugal arrangements. 'My Man Godfrey' or 'Bringing Up Baby'? Oh, wait maybe 'The Lady Eve'.
― Concatenated without abruption (Michael White), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm a strict Lover Come Hack To Me honeymooner.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXpOA3jPC04
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― omar little, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
so happy for alfred
― motivatedgirl (Matt P), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Rev likes this.
― 3.5" flopson (The Reverend), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
who is that person and did i vote for them
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
funny to read the first few posts itt with the new thread title in mind.
i know we've covered this a billion times but i've finally come around to thinking that marriage is regressive and civil partnerships/groupings/co-owners of gay or whatever you want to call it are where it's at. the end.
― motivatedgirl (Matt P), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
that really only works if you strip the civil benefits of marriage out of all unions and leave "marriage" to be a symbolic religious ceremony, otherwise you are setting up segregated "separate but equal" tracks; also it's likely to be an unsatisfactory answer for gay couple who want to have their marriage performed by their (presumably willing) church
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Guess I won't be checking out your ass at Score next Saturday.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, this. so not gonna happen, i know. i guess all i'm saying is if i were offered the choice to marry, i would only consider doing it for tax/legal benefits, and even then i doubt i would do it, just because the word doesn't fit/describe/empower the reality of my current relationship, and i don't really think i can define "marriage" for myself, outside of where it comes from.
alfred why would this decision affect your view of my ass
― motivatedgirl (Matt P), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
This thread is about marriage to ME, heathen.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
guess all i'm saying is if i were offered the choice to marry, i would only consider doing it for tax/legal benefits,
But this is why lots of straights get marrried too!
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i used to have more sympathy for gays who wanted to get a "traditional" marriage, but now i gotta say i side more with ilx poster "table is the table," i.e. i think it's a limiting and kind of depressing semantic concession to heteronormative patriarchal capitalist the_west, why would i do that to what keeps my mind/body/emotions happy in the face of all that, "society" etc.
xp but just because you're "taken" doesn't mean we can't "expand the definition" of "taken"!
― motivatedgirl (Matt P), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm having those problems as we speak, Matt...
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Marriage is regressive yes but it's also aspired to by billions of people. It's only a problem when one highly-strung group of arseholes wants it to be an exclusive club.
― when my brodie smiles at me i go to port stephens (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hey al, i sent u a webmail.
― motivatedgirl (Matt P), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh cool! Thanks, Matt.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
eh no disrespect for 'civil union' proponents but i just want to say that economic and legal matters are at the core of the "traditional" form of marriage throughout history. lots of people focus on the romance & kids but at a fundamental level the history of marriage is primarily about building & consolidating wealth and ensuring legal protection. granted i understand that it also carries an ugly history of inequality and some distinctly modern ideas of romantic love & family.
to be honest, i don't quite understand why we need another parallel term for gay marriage when the word at hand is perfectly suited to describe a financial and legal partnership.
― i can tina turner (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Agreed.
http://pileusblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/new-hampshire-bill-would-abolish-marriage-licensing/
I didn't see anything about this so far in this thread. I can't find the site where I originally read about this bill, but this story seems to be accurate, though a little obnoxious.
― a giant and leaky bag of mayhem (Jesse), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, the echoes of what we were talking about 6.5 years ago finally hit a state's legislature
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
hey a new legislative life for the Hidden Cameras' "Ban Marriage" as an anthem
― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2011.04-profile-traditional-exports/
I had forgotten that since Canada got gay marriage we've been exporting our crazies down South. Somerville in particular is a piece of work. The fact that they're all faculty at my university is...troubling.
― Alex in Montreal, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Minnesota Senate puts gay marriage ban on ballot, 38-27. All Republicans + one Democrat in the affirmative.
― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck. that.
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Be interesting to see what the results will be, though. I would have predicted a slam-dunk victory for a ban over the past fifteen years, now I think it'll be much closer.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
It will pass. Probably by a lot.
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Basically do not expect people voting on other people's civic rights to ever do the right thing, because there is always an implicit assumption that they are giving up something and fuck that, this is America
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd like to think that yr avg minnesotan voter wouldn't vote yes on this but yeah DJP otm, ppl are stupid
― cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Agree with DJP, tho political experts seem to think that ballot initiatives face an uphill battle during presidential elections, when many voters presumably just tick off votes in the Big Show?
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
In any case, when it comes to gay marriage, it's somehow a lot harder to get people passively OK with the concept out to vote than it is to get masses of those actively against it.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Awright, so you guys can't marry me in Minnesota. Let's go someplace else. Drinks are on me.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd appreciate a sublet on about 14 months.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
in
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:42 PM Bookmark
Voters in Washington did the right thing and passed the "everything-but-marriage" civil union referendum. Maybe people are just better here. Go us!
― al b. surly! (The Reverend), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
let's all meet in Delaware
― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link
There is a difference between "let's vote to create something separate-but-'equal'" and "let's vote to say these different types of relationships should be treated the same way".
― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
if you are a bigot tick this box: [ ]
― handy multi-bicycle parking station from available materials (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 12 May 2011 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh, disappointed by my state! Except for guy in the clip above.
He's Steve Simon, the state Rep for Hopkins/St. Louis Park. So... no.
― that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 06:36 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^Just checked, and he's the rep for my mom's side of town. YAY.
― that's when i reach for my ︻╦╤─* (suzy), Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
A majority of Americans favor legal gay marriage, sez Gallup.
I'm ready, guys!
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
op-ed in the times today urging gays to decline straight friends' wedding invites:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/opinion/22benjamin.html?_r=1
― naches supreme (donna rouge), Sunday, 22 May 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Giving serious consideration to that already.
― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Sunday, 22 May 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course that's letting the enemies force me to hurt my friends. Which just seems like the absolute worst thing to do.
Seems odd on one hand to tout marriage as primarily a personal (not political) thing and on the other to boycott friends' marriages for political reasons.
Also, plenty of vegans go to pig roasts, if they're friends with the people holding the pig roast. (They just bring along not-dogs or eat beforehand.)
― jaymc, Sunday, 22 May 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link