US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

i mean it is pretty funny on some level, it's also just faintly depressing that he feels it's important to prove it to a bunch of racist trolls.

honestly if people didn't think the birthers were crazy already i'm not sure how much more evidence they would need

Their birth certificates from Crazyland?

So much for the "issue" going away

lol

ugh

he was doing it more to bitch-slap the press than to bitch-slap the Birthers (who are a lost cause).

yeah wtf press?

John Cole tears Andrew Sullivan a new one.

it's also just faintly depressing that he feels it's important to prove it to a bunch of racist trolls.

Clearly it's much more important than putting financial miscreants in jail, changing the tax code, closing Guantanamo or stopping the murder inherent in our perpetual wars.

I know Sullivan’s reaction shouldn’t be pissing me off as much as it is, because he really can’t help himself. He really is just a stooge for whatever bullshit the right spews, either intentionally or accidentally. He doesn’t mean to be, I don’t think, just his self-identity as a conservative is so strong that he simply can not come to grips with the fact that conservatism is dead in the United States, and that those who call themselves conservative are just crazy people. But Andrew so yearns for a “sane conservatism” that he just can’t help himself, and as such, advances bullshit narratives like the Ryan plan being “serious” or it being Obama’s fault that he didn’t release this information earlier. Sully just can’t help himself.

this is fair i think

the press is a lost cause, too. but people still watch CNN and the evening news and give the media some respect/deference, while any sane person treats any Birthers they know like retarded children.

Clearly it's much more important than putting financial miscreants in jail, changing the tax code, closing Guantanamo or stopping the murder inherent in our perpetual wars.

blame the press for focusing on Birtherism, not Obama. which was kind of the point of his press conference today.

Yeah I agree.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/04/rich-man-poor-man

great post xp

Might make it easier to combat Trump, supposing he runs (which I think is unlikely)

if obama was being straight-up, then this was supposed to be what it was: an attempt to remind the press to get out of the gutter and quit it with the bullshit because serious times etc etc

if there's any political deviousness to it, it's to remind professional republicans, hi, your base is a bunch of unpacifiable nutcases, don't think we both don't know it, have fun in 2012

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

oh goddddddd

okay I am back on the "this is hilarious" train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo

there's something deeply sinister about the fact that this is basically getting JFK-assassination kind of traction in conspiracy-nut circles

bam busted in birth bunco

"deeply sinister" or "totally unsurprising and pathetic"?

bam's bum birth bamboozle

Wow, this is even convincing nutcases who weren't on the birther train, ffs:

I've scanned a lot of images. What you scan is what you see. What I haven't seen when I've scanned something is where they show letters cut off such as what looks like a "5" on the left hand side where it bends down. Also, the dashed green lines on the background go straight across, and the black lines of the form curve down. It they scanned the black lines only, then why transpose onto green lined paper, why not just show the scanned document on whatever was the original paper as I always do when I scan a document. This doesn't pass the smell test. Either this is a forgery on green paper, or they are hiding something on that left side that was cropped off. Why can't we just get a scanned copy of the original birth certificate, showing every notation on margins, every smudge, everything? Frankly, until today I was thinking this birther thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing this document I now have many suspicions about Obama's birth.

Live Poll

Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's a US citizen?

VoteView Results
Yes. It is irrefutable proof he was born in Hawaii.
10%
No. There will always be doubt in my mind.
37%
I never questioned his citizenship in the first place.
53%

Wow, this is even convincing nutcases who weren't on the birther train, ffs:

lol because if there's one thing I take totally at face-value, it's paranoid insane comments on web posts

Well, no shit, that's why I said "nutcases".

53% !

No. There will always be doubt in my mind.
37%

i am in the club right now just cryin

cryin in the club

jon, you realize that some of these comments are out-and-out trolling, right

this is unscientific MSNBC website poll so that # doesn't shock me tbh

jon, you realize that some of these comments are out-and-out trolling, right

I think you are reading way more into what my post than what I meant. Guess I should have added the "lol" to make it clear that I wasn't taking it at face value.

billionaire bilked by bam's bogus birth bonafides

(to DJP) well yeah that too...I guess my point is that however deluded the JFK guys were, it seemed that at least the underlying assumptions that informed their paranoia weren't cultivated by something so toxic as racial delirium...if you get my gist...?

I just want to hear what aero says as this ramps up new levels of "OMG FAKE, SEE?!??!!" over the next few days.

"Optimize Scanned PDF" will convert an image PDF into a series of sliced images and clipping masks to save on bandwidth. BEHOLD!

http://yfrog.com/h2fbnsdj

(Unless, of course, I'm cleverly faking my visa application)

And isn't it ever so convenient that both his parents are dead? The same as Vincent Foster!!

(to DJP) well yeah that too...I guess my point is that however deluded the JFK guys were, it seemed that at least the underlying assumptions that informed their paranoia weren't cultivated by something so toxic as racial delirium...if you get my gist...?

Okay sure, but what exactly were you expecting to happen to our first black President? I mean tbh I'm shocked no one has shot at him yet.

Biden

hahaha

Frankly, until today I was thinking this birther thing was much ado about nothing, but after seeing this document I now have many suspicions about Obama's birth.

a lot of birthers do this, this is sort of standard Usenet troll practice: claim that you used to be with the side you're arguing against

What was it I read - between '33 and '63 the only president not shot at was Eisenhower.

Okay guys, just to clarify I was posting one particular comment I saw, not trying to hold this up as representative of some real group.

I just want to hear what aero says as this ramps up new levels of "OMG FAKE, SEE?!??!!" over the next few days.

why? kinda makes my point - these people now look like the sort of people who when you show them two things next to two things and say "see, there's four" say "I see they've gotten to you, too"

xxxp I think it's John Cole refers to that as "I was a liberal Democrat before 9/11 made me realize I hated Ted Kennedy" syndrome

^ I read this as "John Cale refers to that..."

I thought, weird of him to chime in.

Okay sure, but what exactly were you expecting to happen to our first black President? I mean tbh I'm shocked no one has shot at him yet.

this is an excellent point. I have often thought this was an underlying reason why Obama has taken a more cautious and moderate approach to governing actually

yeah, but that's only 4 presidents, and FDR hadn't been sworn in yet when Zangara shot at him

xxxxxxp

xxxp I think it's John Cole refers to that as "I was a liberal Democrat before 9/11 made me realize I hated Ted Kennedy" syndrome

― Paul McCartney and Whigs (Phil D.), Wednesday, April 27, 2011 2:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol i think michael berube called this "chappaquiddick syndrome" and found a bunch of examples