i just kicked a drunk woman out of my hotel for calling my gay coworker a fag

xxpost holy nipples

I don't think there's anything holy about 'em.

Just to derail an already railless thread:
Did Big Hoos AKA the steendriver ever explain the provenance of that moniker?

They're like slices off a hairy sopresatta.

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thank you, surmounter. your posts strike me as being one of the few eloquent voices of reason on this thread. i mean, wtf, guy has an obviously stressful, fucked-up experience at work (during what for many is a leisurely three-day wknd, no less), and then, omg, decides to post about it here, with the result that he ends up being vilified seemingly more than said obnoxious drunk woman who got booted from the hotel.

it seems to speak to the apparent compulsion for various posters here to have someone to pile up on at any given time...in some weird bullying fashion. i don't get it at all. i don't understand the weird culture of petty cruelty that occurs here. it's similar to some of the responses to the "hey" suicide threat thread, or even (and granted, maybe i didn't follow those particular threads closely enough) the recent banning of manalishi. surely there are better ways of handling that kind of shit. (and for the record, i think that much of what manalishi spewed out was fucked-up, but banning him seems kind of extreme and weird to me. like, there are people grumbling over the whole concept of "hate speech" on this thread who probably were among the first in line to demand that manalishi be banned for his particular brand of reactionary-ism)

generally i appreciate reading stuff here because there is often a great deal of intelligent, articulate, witty discourse that rivals so much of other stuff to be found on the web, but at the same time, i am perplexed by the weird brand of hyper-antagonism that seems to occur here (and often it's the same people whose various posts fall into both categories, so it's doubly perplexing to me!)...i honestly haven't witnessed people so ready to jump down someone's throat at the slightest perceived gaffe since i was in junior high school (or middle school, or whatever it's called these days).

so i guess i'm maybe yearning for a, erm, "kinder, gentler" ilx, or some bullshit like that. and, while i do realize that the participants who post along such lines outnumber the more exasperatingly aggressive, snarky ones, regrettably, as is i guess the case in "real life", the bullying type personas seem to overwhelm by virtue of being the noiseiest (no pun intended).

kingkongvsgodzilla - you're right, it's both hate speech and hate crime law that i'm talking about, not just the 1994 law

i'm basing this on several long conversations i had with a reporter who has worked in both texas and new york on various stories about how the law affects immigrants and minorities; i can't find any of her stories online about this, but i'll find it for you 2morrow, deal?

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Well, I'm confused by your phrasing:

you're right, it's both hate speech and hate crime law that i'm talking about

Is there a U.S. law that specifically targets "hate speech"? I was trying to point out that federal law only targets crimes, not speech. I could be wrong.

Also, the FBI stats show that there doesn't seem to be much of a descrepancy in the demographics of hate crime offenders in the last decade:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hate96.pdf

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/offenders.htm

This is just from a cursory glance at the statistics and I'm sure real life might be more nuanced. At any rate, I'm going to sleep. Post the articles if you find them.

Peace.

a drunk woman just kicked the fag out of me at a hotel :(

note who does not end getting hauled in for altercations like the above: educated people, rich people, white people: people who do not tend to get into chest-bumping macho street theatrics

people who act in a violent and intimidating manner in public get called up on it? i'm fine with that! i don't think any sort of "chest-bumping macho theatrics" are defensible really.

you could equally say, note which demographic gets punished for breaking anti-discrimination employment law, rich white people. well...yes!

I didn't get hired to dance at scores guise ;_;

i hear ya, dell... it's very strange to me, the disavowal of kindness on ILX. you're absolutely right, i could have sworn i was walking the halls of junior high school this morning. of course, it only points to a more widespread, culturally bound dog-eat-dog mentality. and to ask for kindness, to expect it, is what, dense and unreasonable, right? cuz that's JUST not how ILX is, and we should all like, know that?

bizarre. i have never understood the reasoning behind hyper-antagonism, as you aptly put it. just like in junior high when being called a faggot was as commonplace as going to the orthodontist, i prefer my relationships without a side of snarky. and if getting ahead means participating in the cool olympics, i'd much rather lag behind.

When did anyone call anyone a faggot on this thread, assmunch?

lol i didn't say anyone did, but thanks for just proving my point ; ) assmunch, no less

like what is that? ur propensity for name-calling and the like? does it make u feel better, to put other people down? kindof sad, dontcha think?

Oh the ironing.

i mean to me, assmunch/put-downs in general are simply a sign of like, intelligence having left the building. no offense, shite fer brains

gasp! now i'm a hypocrite. my apologies.

it's honestly almost comical, i mean if it weren't 5am i'd be hysterically laughing right now

"yah i don't really get meanness, i like being kind"

"what the fuck are you talking about, ASSMUNCH?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. when did humanity become so crude?

dell OTM. i didn't know manalishi was banned. if he were that's fucked up and due to a few vociferous regulars not being comfortable with pluralism.

where did our innocence go?

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if he were that's fucked up and due to a few vociferous regulars not being comfortable with pluralism.

Or due to him being a disingenuous cunt obviously trolling.

"I don't understand why this horrible crime perpetrated by some black people on some white people wasn't reported more widely. Could there be some sort of reason for this? I honestly can't see why."

jim otm

Does anyone seriously think this woman hadn't already crossed "the line" before she dropped the homophobic bomb?

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 02:47 (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I agree that her behaviour had crossed the line, yeah.

I don't see the problem w.hoosteen posting his account of his experience here - shit like this can get you really wound up & it's good/useful to vent off.

Anyone who works a "customer-facing" job gets to deal w/obnoxious shitheads from time to time, I doubt I'd have been so polite/professional in his place, TBH.

I don't see the problem w.hoosteen posting his account of his experience here - shit like this can get you really wound up & it's good/useful to vent off.

Right but its the way he framed it. Its pretty easy to be righteous when the person you're chiding is already looked down on by pretty much everyone present.

Mat 6:5-6 (Jer) "And when you pray, do not imitate the hypocrites: they love to say their prayers standing up in the synagogues and at the street corners for people to see them. I tell you solemnly, they have had their reward. But when you pray, go to your private room and, when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in that secret place, and your Father who sees all that is done in secret will reward you."

^ :-/

Its pretty easy to be righteous when the person you're chiding is already looked down on by pretty much everyone present.

what, you mean hoos? because if anyone else had posted this (bar louis perhaps) i can't imagine it getting the same reaction from you and ethan.

and this is meant as no slight on hoos

Oh don't you turn around my words! ;-)

I meant the woman. Don't be obtuse!!!

Seriously, where exactly does the name"BIG HOOS aka the steendriver" come from? This is bothering me.

Also Louis actually has shown a fair bit of class and grace dealing with the ILX pileon in the past.

one of us!
one of us!
one of us!
one of us!
one of us!

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Or due to him being a disingenuous cunt obviously trolling.

but is it really trolling if the person expresses his true beliefs and argues for them, however mordantly, in a calm and collected way? i guess it can be. but if so the decision over who's a troll and who isn't is an ideological one, and that's the problem i have with the banning of Manalishi. i get the sense that it wasn't so much his opinions that bothered people but the intellectually vigorous way in which he argued for them. as Mark G tellingly writes on the now locked moderator request thread, "One thing worse than racism is 'reasonable' racism." if some topics are too ideologically sensitive for the frail ilxor hivemind to debate fairly why not say so outright?

I agree in theory but ILX mirrors our society in general by being far more intolerant of racism than sexism, homophobia and cultural prejudices (the ones that don't get interpreted as racism, that is).

o rly i'd not noticed

xposts. I can't believe you just used "mordantly" and "intellectually vigorous" to describe the posting style of Roger Adultery.

And really you're missing the point. He was being disingenuous in order to bait people, to put the cat amongst the pigeons to try and see what kind of reaction he would get from "liberals". If he had came out and said "I believe this story was underreported in the media because of liberal media bias which wishes to hide reporting of crimes which may reflect badly on black people" people would have disagreed with him, but he wouldn't have been banned.

It was the posting style rather than the ideological content of the posts that got him banned.

I think.

pay more attention g-kit...unless...you're being sarcastic...

well duh

worthwhile

don't dwell on it, you daft bastard. the world continues to spin.

i get the sense that it wasn't so much his opinions that bothered people but the intellectually vigorous way in which he argued for them. as Mark G tellingly writes on the now locked moderator request thread, "One thing worse than racism is 'reasonable' racism." if some topics are too ideologically sensitive for the frail ilxor hivemind to debate fairly why not say so outright?

-- Jeb, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 12:58 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Um, thanks (I think...)

What I meant by that statement is one heck of a long story I was sort of involved in:

Short version:

I was on holiday in Jersey after a long illness and the surgery to make me well (fully successful). In the hotel was a group of lads, a bit rowdy but seemed to be alright, good music tastes and so on. Anyway, it turns out they're all card carrying members of the N F. Which did not square with the music or anything else, save that 2 of them had skinhead haircuts. We discussed things in a rational manner, about how GB did hve a repatriation allowance but that it was so small as to not be worth taking up, and they were campaigning for it to be raised. OK, what else? Oh, that it wa a disgrace that sikhs were allowed to be police and not have to wear the helmets in favour of a turban with a badge on it. And various other disagreeable (as in you could agree to disagree sort of thing) matters of opinion. Oh, and how in South Africa, it was the dutch who were the original population and it was the black people who moved in...

Anyway, all this was happening (the discussion I mean) in a Jersey nightclub, which was all fine and good fun in it's way. So, on leaving, the 'leader' says to me "Well, we don't reckon you'll want to join us, but we're off to do some paki bashing now!". One of the other lads says "no, he's alright if he wants to tag along, he doesn't have to get involved", a third one says "Oy, if I'm getting my head kicked in by a pakki and he don't come in to rescue me, I'm kicking his head in later"... anyway, I just sort of say "um, I think you;ll have a job locating a pakistani community in St Helier, actually", and left them to it (i.e. nowt).

So anyway, the rest of the holiday (1 day), we sort of were on pure nodding terms, and that was it.

g-kit don't bother responding to my posts unless you have something useful to say you clueless moron.

:)

xposts "the way he (HOOS) framed it" = just another xcuse to jump down someone's throat, for like no reason

if i were in HOOS' shoes, i woulda been taken aback by this incident, and it's far better to not take the time to worry about how to frame a recount for the sake of ILX's snarky alpha-males.

you can't fucking open ur mouth without an inquisition? or you have to be so bland you're barely saying anything? personality should be welcomed, not intimidated.

wow. . .how did I know this thread would've turned into a shitfest by a dozen posts in.

hello? Can anybody hear me?

"i think to start i'll have the attention-seeking bore, for the main course the tactless creep and for dessert the obnoxious jerk."

"tres bien, monsieur!"