US POLITICS SPRING 2011: Let's just call off this country.

a horribly unearned "joke"

(Or where you get "scared of Palin" from...to find her hypocrisy stunning is to be afraid of her?)

Do you really need me to repost ilxors' anxieties about her candidacy?

I never found Dane Cook funny until I found out about his extensive charity work and can-do attitude.

no intelligent person is "afraid" of Palin or Trump. altho yes tbf a presidency for either one would be 100000000x worse than Obama and you know it.

Human nature. If you like Obama--which, as inconceivable as it may be for you, is still true for some (many?) of us--and you see him get beaten up left and right every day (and yes, I understand that goes with the job), it shouldn't be surprising that you'd be happy to see him look good at an event like this. (If that's what you think--again, I'm much more indifferent to his performance last night than most.)

If ilxor's were anxious about Palin's candidacy at some point in time (and I really doubt that's true anymore), doesn't that speak well of them? They knew it would have assured Obama's re-election, so maybe the anxiety was for non-political reasons.

and you know neither one of which was never going to happen, even according to 2009 polls.

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If ilxor's were anxious about Palin's candidacy at some point in time (and I really doubt that's true anymore), doesn't that speak well of them? They knew it would have assured Obama's re-election, so maybe the anxiety was for non-political reasons.

I can't even dissect how awful this reads, clemenza -- as if Obama's reelection was assumed, no questions asked.

i get where albert is coming from but shit idk man

it's like getting mad at how so many of your facebook friends linked to cee-lo's "fuck you" video instead of hyping x or y track

shit I'm more insulted by your misnomer

It's like getting mad at how so many of your facebook friends linked to cee-lo's "fuck you" video yet not criticizing how much St Elsewhere blew.

I can't even dissect how awful this reads, clemenza -- as if Obama's reelection was assumed, no questions asked.

What on earth are you talking about? If Palin had been the nominee, she would have lost. Which I think--I'll have to check this--means Obama would have won.

With all due respect, Alfred, you really are sounding like a humourless scold these days.

too much greenwald will do that to you

clemenza your last post is full of shit tho

not that you're BSing, but it's just a shit post

i think it's okay to be all "hey obama landed some zings, he has some good timing" but what alfred is talking about & you're defending IS pretty ridiculous & extrapolated out also kind of indefensible -- personally i just don't see the point in getting worked up over it

You'll need to be clearer, because I honestly don't know what you mean.

I'm going to quote your post:

f ilxor's were anxious about Palin's candidacy at some point in time (and I really doubt that's true anymore), doesn't that speak well of them? They knew it would have assured Obama's re-election, so maybe the anxiety was for non-political reasons.

The assumption is that ilxors should welcome Obama's reelection because Palin is the nominee, without commenting on his merits.

but I know you believe in some golden land where a moderate, genial chief executive accepts praise from his claque because he doesn't incarnate "extremism."

alfred is right. we all know that Obama can talk the liberal talk when he feels he has to (we watched that during the 2008 campaign). and i even kinda like the lols from last night. but let's see him do something liberal before applauding him.

all I'm saying today is, "Settle down, Beavis. The guy got some good yuks at easy targets."

I mean, we should applaud him because he was funny attacking a guy who has no chance in hell of being the GOP nominee AND after a week in which he released his birth certificate for the SECOND TIME?

if some of us are sounding like humorless scolds ... or butthurt Morbz clones ... it's b/c of this administration's actions compounded with the continued disrespect that the Democratic Party at its highest levels shows to one of its core constituencies. people are only willing to be punching bags for so long.

and pardon me for acting like a Humorless Scold at an event which epitomizes Beltway Establishment Sleaze. I mean, really?!

Okay...I guess I am making an assumption there, that any ilx'or is (whether he/she would say so publically or not) going to prefer Obama to Palin. That does seem like a given to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

1) The dinner is a fact of life.
2) Obama must attend, he must make some jokes, he must sit there while jokes are made about him.
3) Some clown just spent a month questioning his citizenship (and has since moved on to his intellectual legitimacy); he got in a few mild jokes in response.
4) For a day or two, Obama will get some praise.

It just doesn't seem like something to get all worked up over.

As for the golden moderate land I supposedly believe in, the fact that I like Obama has much more to do with his temperament than his politics. Just not a fan of shrillness and stridency.

Let me guess--an indefinite-detention post is close at hand.

i don't wanna mention Hindenburg v. Hitler one more time, but that's really where i stand wr2 Obama's upcoming reelection. i would vote for him only b/c there's no viable alternative, and for no other reason.

Yeah, look, the event doesn't deserve anything more than a nod -- and would have been ten times funnier had Obama never tacitly acknowledged Trump's legitimacy by releasing his birth certificate for the second time. I can't repeat this enough.

look man I'm gonna take the damn lols where I can get them. practically everything this guy does pisses me off & I have to content myself with "but imagine how much worse it could be!" so if he talks a good line & gets in some jabs at a racist troll asshole then I'm gonna say, fuckin' LOL, commander in chief man, most days you're the guy signing off the torture of people in secret prisons and not saying shit about the ongoing assault on reproductive rights but today you are the guy teeing off on a dude demonstrably & obviously WAY worse than you so get yours

like if I go see a bill and both bands on it suck but the headliner sucks less than the opener then damn right I'm clapping louder for the headliner, you know?

Sure, but today it's been like every poster I know acts like they walk out after the opening act.

which I say in total agreement with this

i don't wanna mention Hindenburg v. Hitler one more time, but that's really where i stand wr2 Obama's upcoming reelection. i would vote for him only b/c there's no viable alternative, and for no other reason.

voting for Obama is going to make me feel like a dumbshit sellout asshole like all the other dumbshit sellout assholes I hate, but what the fuck else are you supposed to do?

Not sure why you have to vote for anyone besides your local rep or senator if you don't live in a swing state/district? I didn't vote for Obama in 2008

I'm of the opinion that allowing any polling data to tell you whether your state is a swing state or not is pretty naive - assume that everybody's data has an agenda seems like the only sane strategy to me

If EVERYTHING Obama does makes you angry, you might need Paxil

I love his smile!

not to turn this into being about me, but considering that a scant 11 years ago i was pleading and screaming w/ liberal friends to NOT vote for Nader i consider this to be quite a change in my way of thinking. perhaps i was deluded then (though i will still defend my views from back then), but frankly the rot w/n the Democratic Party has become so pronounced that it cannot be ignored any longer and frankly it threatens the sort of country that we will become. john focuses on stuff like torture and reproductive rights, i focus on economics and Wall Street, but both are symptoms of a much deeper sickness for which Obama et. al. is not only not the cure but also the enabler.

like, if data suggested that Florida was WAY more in play than had been assumed, don't you figure that by the time the news reached you, it'd be getting to you with enough topspin to...fuckin'...some ping-pong metaphor, not fully up for it, feel free to fill in

and he had pretty good timing. And I loved the tie that made him look like Cliff Huxtable at that hospital fund raiser.

like, if data suggested that Florida was WAY more in play than had been assumed, don't you figure that by the time the news reached you, it'd be getting to you with enough topspin to...fuckin'...some ping-pong metaphor, not fully up for it, feel free to fill in

despite the Angry Cuban Vote, Dems won Miami-Dade County in 2008.

If EVERYTHING Obama does makes you angry, you might need Paxil

look I said practically and I gotta stay unmedicated to maintain my edge

look, the real "message" here is that I need to unsubscribe from Facebook.

Let me guess--an indefinite-detention post is close at hand.

― clemenza, Sunday, May 1, 2011 8:14 PM (15 minutes ago)

this dude constantly has the biggest chip on his shoulder when he posts. chill son

I generally like clemenza's historical posts, but I'm surprised he didn't learn that moderation and reason have so little to do with American politics going back to the 1790's; they've only existed when the opposition is in disarray.

Oh, please. Where you get chip-on-his-shoulder out of a resigned prediction of what you think is coming next, I have no idea.

Again, I like moderation in terms of someone's temperament. As for the political landscape right now--as mundane as it might sound, and as angry as it may make some of you--I continue to believe that Obama is more or less doing the best that he can in an insane situation. And I'm not oblivious to the detention, the Wall St. ties, or some of the other things. I tried to explain my interpretation of this in a long post on another thread, and didn't get any response.

nah dude i think you're a great guy i just picture you sniffling into a kleenex when reading all your posts, you seem to take everything so personally

I don't know why you'd say that. I think my posts are generally about as not-confrontational as they could be.

"Sniffling into a kleenex"? Good grief, no--I get upset on occasion, but it passes quickly.

Right, but no evidence exists that Obama "is doing the best he can," which suggests he's a passive agent. From my pov it's because he's smart that I wanted him to hire anybody but Geithner, Sumners, Emmanuel, et al. And he wasn't required to. Moderation and equanimity in the face of his capitulations are not virtues!

I'm on record here of speculating whether the FISA compromises of summer '08 meant the triumph of an amiable, moderate, intelligent chief executive accepting the Bush-era abuses as a matter of settled law -- in the same way that Eisenhower accepted the New Deal wholesale.

Nice Goldwater allusion...I think there are different theories to explain why he took on those people. But it's done. I just wish that you'd balance your perpetual outrage with some acknowlegement of the positives. When your hatred of Obama becomes such that last night's dinner becomes one more reason to jump all over him--or to jump all over the fact that he got some good press today because of it--and you're really angry that he released his long-form birth certificate (was it just to placate Trump? doesn't something like 30% of the country question his citizenship?), at that point you lose me.