2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

xpost i doubt you would ever convince an american to walk around with his or her passport instead of a drivers license though

Passport is probably not going to be a booklet forever.

alfrd dont be lameo thread cop - and besides that thread doesnt even address what me n morbs were talking abt

If you want the short answer: Bush I was a gentlemanly milquetoast; Clinton was the true heir to Reagan.

hahahahaha yeah right^^^

dude bush 1 is an evil genius get w/it

I think suzy is proposing a federal ID Card scheme which has the flying possibilities of a sick penguin.

so u thought bill clinton was worse than bush 1

Yes. Bill's "oh I hate to do this but, hey, politics" shit did more lasting evil than Poppy Twit.

Not so dissimilar to 'oh well, that's campaigns LOL' -HRC.

As time goes by, I am more convinced that Streep was indeed doing Rodham in Demme's Manchurian Candidate

Streep is totally fucking nuts but that's funny.

Yes. Bill's "oh I hate to do this but, hey, politics" shit did more lasting evil than Poppy Twit.

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:34 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ovb i was talking abt at the time morbs - u vote bush? perot?

Clinton's pandering – zipping back to Arkansas to execute a poor black imbecile, "I did not inhale" – was well-reported then. I voted for him anyway because I was young, voting for the first time, and tired of Reagan-Bush. Regrets set in almost immediately, starting with seeing pictures of the reformed Fleetwood Mac at the inaugural.

alfred this is all abt me untangling morbs web of lies

but really u dont like teh mac? for shame!

I love them when they don't look like they were dipped in mustard for preservation.

Estimates also that 3 points of the 8.6pc were Rush-holes.

Do you have a link? If that's right, that's disgusting.

It's been a while since we've last seen a closely contested presidential nomination for a major party in this country, so I think perhaps its unnerving people to see the nominee still undecided this late into the primary season. However, if we go back to the last time there was a close nomination contest, ie. the Democratic primaries in 1976, we see that this year has not been that unusual in many respects. Wikipedia has an interesting summary of that primary contest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1976#Democratic_Party_Nomination

We read there that Carter also had difficulty "sealing the deal":

As Carter closed in on the nomination, an "ABC" (Anybody But Carter) movement started among Northern and Western Democrats who feared that Carter might be too conservative for the party. The leaders of this movement were Idaho Senator Frank Church and California Governor Jerry Brown. They entered several Western primaries and defeated Carter, but their candidacies started too late to prevent Carter from winning the nomination. They eventually supported Carter in the general election.

So even though there was a strong and vocal anti-Carter faction within the Democratic party, and despite the fact that they beat Carter in some late contests, Carter still sealed the nomination, and eventually rallied the support of the party, and went on to win the presidency in November.

It's not surprising that there will be a sizeable faction that will continue to support someone other than Obama even this late in the contest - there are many valid reasons for Democrats to question whether he would in fact be the best candidate. However, I remain optimistic that once he seals the nomination, Democrats will fall in line behind him.

Don't forget Reagan and Ford in '76 too.

the resemblances to Carter might not end there cf. TOMBOT :/

yah yikes :/

who feared that Carter might be too conservative for the party.

It's telling that I can't imagine this ever being a major concern for the Democrats these days.

Here's a map of Democratic primary and caucus results and the schedule for 1976:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/Dem1976.html

Here we see that even as late as June, Carter lost California's primary to Jerry Brown.

<3 governor moonbeam

now that wouldve been a WHITEhouse eh *nudge*

Obama started out as one of many ABH candidates, so...

Can I pull a Suzy here and note that I went to college with Frank Church's grandson?

jhøshea, I have not voted for a Dem or Rep prez candidate since Mondale (not Perot either, gimme a break). No idea whose fuck-you lever I pulled in '92. Who was fourth in the popular vote?

;-P

Who he?

but morbs who did you think was worst in 92 bush clinton or perot - be honest

xxp Andre V. Marrou Libertarian Alaska 290,087 0.3%

I voted for my dad in '92. In retrospect, I'm glad he wasn't President because he would have tried to flatten the Middle East with nuclear weapons.

Oh, since we hadn't seen what a homicidal fuck war criminal Clinton would turn out to be, I probably thought B Blythe was least vomitorious at the time. I learn.

I might've voted for Marrou, dunno, I think I voted for a Socialist one year.

I've expected the worst from the electorate since 1980 and they havent surprised me yet.

-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:35 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

proving this statement UNtrue^^^ CASE CLOSED! MORBS GULITY *slam slam*

Don't forget '96 too. Would Dole have been a lesser evil than Clinton as well?

well sit on that charge in case his case gets overturned on appeal

Interesting to compare the map of this year's Dem primary to the '76 map:

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/demmap/

In both cases, it's interesting how the appeal of various candidates seems to break down along regional lines.

Would Dole have been a lesser evil than Clinton as well?

The correct answer is, Who cares?

u cares - see upthread

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2435253590_dc4bf2cb65_o.jpg

he he

I don't vote for the evil of two lessers, kiddo

morbs just man up and admit to my ferocious pwning of yr knee jerk primaries thread bullshit

Trying to decode that, wtf you sayin?

Perrin on Hill-Rod's nuke-rattlin:

That Iran lacks nukes and is nowhere near possessing them means nothing, nor does the idea that a nuclear-armed Iran would be suicidal enough to hit Israel to begin with. All that matters is for Hillary to appear genocidal, a vital character trait that U.S. presidents must display in order to be taken seriously. Hey, works for me, though I suspect that a President Hillary would warm up by attacking a few smaller, defenseless nations, just to get the blood pumping. Obliteration should never be served cold... Still, give the ol' gal crazy style points. She clearly understands that for a significant chunk of Americana, mass murder can be a positive thing, so long as it beats the towelheads down and away from our precious fuel. I mean, what would we do without NASCAR?

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/04/desolation-jam.html

I think that Hil was smart to say what she did about Iran. Say a few meaningless hardman words so there's no chink in your armor that can be attacked

hils hardman words hardly number in the few at this point

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/23/clinton-snags-prominent-southern-blue-dog-superdelegate/

This guy Dennis Perrin sounds like an idiot. Who is he speaking for? Who is it that requires candidates to sound genocidal? Not him, I guess. So who?

Oh wait I know. "Those". As in, "There are those who say..."

Dennis Perrin sounds like an idiot.

I wouldn't know