Which is the least racist country in the world?

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I live in Alberta and it is on one hand as tolerant as Kim says but has a aweful under current of racism . For example in Winnipeg in the 1930s there was enough Nazis to make a few cells (almost 3k). In CAroline Alberta there is an annual klan meetign still. Do we have to talk about the chinese . From the head tax to the talk about Vancouver being overtaken by asian gangs. Canada aint a paradise. Its a good country and i love being a canuck but dont make it better then it is .

anthony, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's no place that's safe from arbitrary dichotomies and absolutisms. Perhaps it is part of the structure of human consciousness. The only thing that can help is to be aware of the problem.

nature's romance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Maybe we should all just have a cannibal BBQ, we'd all taste the same. I wouldnt wanna eat a vegetarian. Dude, they smell like tomato paste. But maybe they'd taste like ketchup...

satan's donkey, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Antarctica?

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nz had a treaty with the maoris, plus accepted half of the asylum speakeers, and doesn't lock them up

Yes we do. NZ is more tolerant of asylum seekers simply because we don't get many due to our isolation. We're nowhere near filling our UN quota. And don't get me started on that treaty...

hamish, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hear that the Quebecois are very anti-Semitic, though otherwise tolerant (the French language laws notwithstanding). Isn't one of the major Montreal subway stations named after an infamous Nazi sympathizer?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it as Gary Younge who said this - the American way of dealing with incomers is "Become one of us first and you'll get to share in this country's greatness", while the UK way is "This country is great because it tolerates people like you so don't fuck it up".

dave q, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tadeusz, Celine? That would be one cool name for a metro station. No doubt Stevo will give soon give his view on the suggestion of Holland. Let me just state that Holland is as racist as any other country, but as with any painful social phenomenom has an incredible...let's call it...cloaking ability. So it seems every is you nice and cool and everybody respects everybody's space and thing, but scratch the surface and you'll see some very ugly stuff. I rather have the Spaniards who have a tendency to stil talk about Moors (= arabs) and negritos but in practise will be far more tolerant than the Dutch.

Omar, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

According to Omar's description, The Netherlands -> northern US while Spain -> southern US.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also Netherlands -> UK.

Nick, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

erm...yes and yes I guess. [scratches head]

Omar, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hear that the Quebecois are very anti-Semitic, though otherwise tolerant

No more anti-Semitic than the rest of Canada. That bull was started mostly by Mordecai Richler, a notorious French Quebecer-hater who based his claim on a study about anti-semitism that has been widely discredited - the questions were phrased very differently in french and in english, and the discrepancies between the answers of french and english respondents were used as a scientific "proof" that Quebecers hated Jews.

Patrick, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah NZ has the Treaty of Waitangi, but its not really being fulfilled. What happened to Maori sovereignty?

BTW, most New Zealanders only have a superficial interest in Maori culture, their "interest" in Maori culture extends about as far as seeing the haka performed at a rugby match. as for a genuine interest, you wanna see the amount of NZers who complain about the amount of Maori language on TV and the radio. Maori language shows on tele = about one, people who complain that "it shouldn't be on tv cos i can't understand it" = heaps.

peoples personal attitudes towards the Maori here are pretty appalling, my dad isn't the only NZer who is always complaining about the "bloody dole-bludging Maoris", and i've heard the story a zillion times about "they shouldn't be given land back, we paid for it fair and square, and they wouldn't put it to any good use anyway".

oh and heaps of NZers hate Asians too.

di, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Well I don't know where you are from in New Zealand?? but I don't want to go there!! Because it isn't nothing like that where I'm from!!!! I'm maori and I have always got along with peope of all diffient colors in NZ and I know that things aren't perfect in NZ but I think that we are one of the few places in the world that is trying the best we can to sort it all out. I think you should travel around for a few years and it might open up your eyes to how good the race issue really is in NZ. I went to UNI for free because I'm Moari and now I'm a lawer in London thanks to mostly middle class white peoples tax money!!!!!! I think that would be unheard of in most other places. I think NZ still has a lot to work on but the changes that have taken place over the last 15 years have been great!!!! And I KNOW that many Maori people are starting to feel that NZ is their home again. Thanks for giving me space to sound off. And lets talk about some of the GOOD things that are happening in NZ rather than moaning about things!!!!! It could BE A LOT WORSE. PEACE lucky hands

lucky hands, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I guess people will always be racists (All it takes is one rotten potato (not a great comparison but... I think Canada is less racist than a lot of places. We are the melting pot of the world and I'm happy to say, for one I'm NOT a racist. If I don't get along with someone, it isn't because of Race Religion or Color of their skin. It's because of personality clashes. I would like nothing better on earth than having all people treated like human beings and all abuse in every shape and form STOPPED in it's tracks. Wars should stop worldwide and everyone just get along together. We are going to need each other to accomplish this. Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gale, techinically we're not a Melting Pot at all. That term is more commonly used to describe the US and their way of incorporating other cultures into a relatively homogenous American soup.

I believe the Canadian equivalent term, as it was lobbed at me in public school at least, is Cultural Mosaic, because we're more apt to have individuals and cultures remaining "as is" within the whole.

In theory that is.

Kim, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Re: the Netherlands, I echo Omar's observations. 'Tolerance' is held up as a Dutch national virtue - there is even a statue to it in Hilversum - but too often it has a self-congratulary, superficial, cosmetic quality. A convenient carpet underwhich vast amounts of intolerence get swept. The peculiar Dutch 'pillar system' of virtual voluntary apartheid (a Dutch word), in which Protestants, Catholics, Socialists + Liberals lived alongside each other in otherwise completely seperate communities (hospitals, schools, social clubs, newspapers, TV stations etc) only really began to breakdown in the '60s. 'Tolerance' then meant agreeing to differ, finding a national modus operandi in which a otherwise deeply divided society could function without friction. But telling an ethnic minority they are 'tolerated' - reaction of many here to Muslims post- 9/11 - is patronising as f**k when they've been born and raised in the Netherlands. As a white European foreigner myself I've found Dutch 'tolerance' can wear pretty thin.

stevo, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Frankly that is how i feel about Canada ,

anthony, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree about the use of the word 'tolerance': 'oh, we'll allow it and feel good about ourselves for allowing it'.

But as to non-racist countries, I really can't answer. It is - and SO isn't - Britain. The urban areas are pretty good. Problem is every country has a redneck zone, and rednecks are threatened by anything 'different'.

suzy, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I suppose I'm a racist then? *sigh* No wonder I'm just a fringe contributor these days.

However, I think we can all agree now it isn't in Scandinavia.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmm. I wonder which country has the fewest amount of people, the least amount of culture and the furthest contact from the rest of the world. That's the one, whichever one it is.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks Kim you are right, and I am glad you explained it. Have a good night :) Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Did someone upthread say Antartica? I think that's Nude Spock's answer here.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, but Antarctica is all white.

Kerry, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Exactly, Kerry. I don't agree with Nude Spock at all - I was humouring him.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
"I always hear from my Swedish friends how horrible America is about racism and how great Sweden is because racism doesn't exist. *slap* Because 99.5% of the population is SWEDISH maybe??? OK, thats all."

You couldnt possibly be more wrong. I dont think there is any other country in Europe who has had more immigration than Sweden when you put it against the number of people who live there(9 million).

Swedes being awfully politically correct I think it could be called one of the least racist countries in the world.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe someone said Australia.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Germany

feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

But Lovelace, it seems like Scandinavians in general are only just now really getting tested by immigration from very culturally-different sources; over the past few decades that influx seems to have sparked plenty of tension and political reaction and rightward drifts. Sometimes the places that are most tolerant in principle have the most trouble being that way in practice, since the people they're meant to be tolerant toward may not be all that progressive themselves. Not that I've been up there or know anything definitive about it, but I get the feeling that the ball is still up in the air for how Scandinavians will wind up dealing with this.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

NB in a stupid conversation with Robert Lowell's weirdo son I said pretty much that, and then he said I must be a racist for liking Scandinavian-style democratic-socialism over actual hardcore socialism. (By way of context: his solution to all Middle-East problems would be the establishment of a pan-Arab socialist nation.)

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

This is tricky. Are we measuring in racist-per-capita or Gross National Racism?

The Father of Honky-Crunk (Matt Chesnut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

The nineties was the decade of racism in Sweden. It's better now.

feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost

For gross national racism, it might be Singapore, yet for racism per capita, Singapore may be among the leaders.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

How racist is Switzerland?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I've spent most of my life in the US, travelled to Czechoslovakia, Russia, Austria, Spain, Belize, India, and New Zealand - from that limited personal experience, I gotta say New Zealand gets my vote.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Much of Africa would be great about this if it weren't for other, nearby Africans.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Nabisco: I'm only speaking of Sweden. Norway and Denmark hasnt had as much immigration(yet, they've had a considerable amount) and those countries are less tolerant than Sweden, especially Denmark(and let's not even begin discussing our other neighbour, Finland!). Obviously there are tensions between certain immigrant groups, mainly from muslim countries, and Swedes, and problems with unexployment among immigrants but I can assure you when it comes to tolerance Swedes are better at it than most other European countries.

My parents came to Sweden in 1976, before Sweden was a multicultural country, and in their opinion Sweden is more tolerant today, although they didnt have any considerable problems back then either.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

from when i spent time there (10 years ago), france was pretty racist esp. towards arabs.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The dynamic between the French and Arabs + west Africans is kinda visually analogous to the US city dynamic between white and really-low-income black, but in sentiment I get the feeling it's much worse -- especially given France's much deeper dedication toward a national identity and culture.

The interesting thing about Scandinavia and immigration is that more so than gut-level "racism" it becomes this politicized soul-searching tolerance-test -- cf Norway seemed to have a really hard time reconciling its cultural tolerance with the practice of arranged marriages of pre-teen girls in some immigrant cultures.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

New Zealand.

moley, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i just watched an interesting documentary on arabs in France, well, really, Muslims in France. Didn't seem good

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

This may not be an answer to the actual question, but I'd say that the U.S. is the best place in the world to be a black person.

I read this comment upthread and I can't stop laughing. Surely this was an attempt at irony.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Antarctica

Amon (eman), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago) link

not a country.

oops (Oops), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

/po' faced pedant

oops (Oops), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Belgium.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I thought it said "raciest".

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

xxpost - Atlantis

Amon (eman), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

or Antarctica (did someone say that upthread?)

Amon (eman), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Germany

I'm not convinced. My girlfriend lived there studying for a year in a fairly iberal small university city (Frieburg) and said the amount of casual asumptions made by locals about people purely from their appearance was shocking.

Without wanting to trivialise the debate, she said that enough people just stared at her for minutes just because she had ginger hair and wore a red coat!

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 10 June 2005 09:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It says a lot that America has a 'Hispanic' racial category, even though this is hardly a race.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

what's a "race"?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

dictionary def: a race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics.

As a European person living in an Asian country, I have never bought the line that race doesn't exist.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

it says a lot that people are pretending to have a serious discussion on this thread after the title question has been excoriated and made moot by about twenty different people, some of whom then continued to post as if there was something else worthwhile to say on the topic. summary wtf.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

what does it say that you continue to read it?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

had ignored the thread until now

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i want to hear more about the spirit country. what's the food like?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

As a European person living in an Asian country, I have never bought the line that race doesn't exist.

I'll bet you dress and talk funny too

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

slock1 I keep hoping somebody will enter into a discussion about Minoriteam with me.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

stevem, there is a GULF of difference betweeen the meanings inherent in 'tolerance' and 'acceptance'. I prefer the latter. Ideally would like everybody to wake up one morning unperturbed by their neighbours coming from somewhere different.

yes i am well aware of the difference, and i'm sure everyone would rather there be mutual acceptance of eveybody's ethnicities, cultures, religions (i struggle with those last two way more than the first one personally) in addition to mere tolerance - apart from the people who seemingly genuinely would like everyone to think and believe the same thing (a plague on that warless world!). but seems unlikely given how deep-rooted fear and distrust of that which is different is generally.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.infonexus.com/respek-knuckles.gif

xpost

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm just disappointed that nobody just up and said "MY COUNTRY! MY COUNTRY!". if we all think are countries are such racist hellholes are we just letting ourselves off the hook? setting our standards low?

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I found out today that the Respek Knuckles thing is actually by one of the brothers who does Homestar Runner.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

whole world in totally racist SHOCKAH

didn't you guys learn anything from "Crash"?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I learned a good joke about latinos

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, but not what I was supposed to.

remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

TOMBOT, please tell your latino joke.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

a few months ago i was in hamilton and i met some british guy who had been living in nz for a few years. he told me that he loved new zealand but he thought he'd seen more racism here than in england. "yeah?" i asked him, and he went into this big spiel about how racist it is that new zealand "gives" Maori people "special" rights. i tried to re-educate him, but to no avail.

that totally doesn't answer the question, but i just thought it was a somewhat related anecdote.

awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Monday, 24 April 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate when people ignore 5 year old posts and just write whatever they want - rigid thread enforcement is the bestest.

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry

awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's also important here to differentiate between countries where there are the largest number of people with racist attitudes about 'others' and those where the effects of that racism are worse, more protracted or more insuperable than in others even if their global numbers might be lower.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Go to this URL http://www.billingsgazette.net/ and at the bottom click on the Renaming Squaw Creek Road hits roadblock. Read the comments about the article. Also read the comments about the article Billings woman goes to Mexico to reunite with deported husband
Remember these are postings with out giving real names. The racism is so inbreed and underhanded to make one sick. Many of those claiming to be Native Americans are white racist making fun of the issue. I live in Montana and found your thread trying to see if there is a more non-racist area in the world. I am old and tired...time for the monastery?

Old Asain Warrior, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Old Asain Warrior just because you don't live in Montana any longer doesn't mean everyone there isn't racist. My grandmother Nancy Mulroon lives in Butte, MO and she doesn't like non-American blacks or Jordanian. Why do you claim your country is not the best? American isn't made up of internet comments for people. Maybe after looking at the information you will come to the realize it is you who is the actual racist after all.

ath (ath), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

ath otn

estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

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