The Michael Mann poll

Tony Scott poll coming up soon, I think

The Insider's the only one that feels like he created and inhabited a world. Russell Crowe, Bruce McGill, and Diana Verona are all great.

(xpost)Oooh that's a good one!

Miami Vice would have been a classic if only they'd gone the Robert Bresson route?

The Thief score by Tangerine Dream is very nice, but is also so dated it gets giggles.

You gotta let Vice drip into your veins and FUCK your arteries.

Yeah, Rusty was good in the Insider, one of his better performances.

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"Miami Vice would have been a classic if only they'd gone the Robert Bresson route?"

Haha possibly!

what Mann score isn't dated within two weeks of release? Worst part of Collateral is when they're rolling slow through LA to the sweet, sweet strains of Audioslave.

Miami Vice does make good use of Jay-Z/Linkin Park, though. The assault on the drug boats! So badass.

Miami Vice. The Insider is pretty tolerable, tho, for blatant Oscar bait.

'cept Al's shameless angling for the bait wasn't noticed.

I didn't really like Ali at all. :(

Me neither.

Collateralz
James Caan is great in Thief but the movie's not the greatest. the score is really good and really bad.
indsider was booooring. russell crowe looked like he was full up to the neck with feces

you could smell him?

Ali is the oscar bait, and it suffers because of it. Insider is great.

This one is tough.

I think everyone's misread what I wrote: I said "Al," as in, "Pacino." We really shouldn't discuss Ali in polite conversation.

miami vice the show should really be in there

I really liked the insider.

AH! I assumed it was a typo. Sorry.

to alfred, obv

"we've been made"

Miami Vice sucked. My rental DVD went kablooie when they were about to rescue the chick from the trailer with the fake-pizza-delivery-scam, and I didn't even bother asking for a replacement to finish it. Awful, awful, awful, and boring to boot.

I voted for Collateral.

fuck manhunter haters YOU OWE IT AWE.

other people's unexplored fetishes are really boring

(unless, of course, you agree)

I own new-Miami Vice on dvd! Not the 'director's cut' though, since I heard it sucked so I bought the other one

YOU OWE IT AWE

^^ kudos

The Insider

i don't really care for his style. manhunter and the first 2/3rds of collateral are good too.

Police Story really needs to be in this too

I thought the same thing initially, but the best thing about Crime Story is the Abel Ferrara-directed pilot.

crime story is the best BY FAR but the pilot does stand out stylistically. wasn't the chase through the mall in the pilot?

I'm in sales and the territory I cover happens to be where I grew up. So when I travel to visit my clients I usually visit my parents and sometimes stay the weekend. They don't have any DVDs. Only VHS tapes. And of the VHS tapes they have, get this, Jurassic Park, Braveheart, and The Insider. That's it. Needless to say, there have been many times when I've been bored and will end up popping in The Insider.

And it never gets old. I think it's truly fantastic. ALL the performances are pitch perfect. That scene with Bruce McGill in the courtroom jars me every time. It's maintains the feel of a Michael Mann film but it feels weightier than usual, and not just because of the subject material.

Here's that scene I was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdGqfhAt6yQ

Might as well post this one too :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjpP-XngKA&mode=related&search=

I'd say definitely The Insider as well. He puts all of his visual, structural, and storytelling skills to use in something beyond a crime film. Pacino is excellent because, as in Donny Brasco, he plays a guy who basically has to pick a lock and can't raise his voice, and so forget about yelling.

Mann's films are some of the only DVDs I own, and I never get tired of watching them. The HD video on Collateral and Miami Vice is a real step forward.

Zodiac is clearly David Fincher going toe-to-toe Michael Mann.

The ending to Heat is dissatisfying.

Collateral clearly started as a very run-of-the-mill 1990s hit man dom-and-sub-male screenplay that Mann managed to make his own. I'm sure Ruffalo's path in the movie was Mann's rewrite.

There is great potential for a Best Cameo in a Michael Mann Film poll: Rollins, Tone Loc, Bud Cort, the Me and You and Everyone We Know guy.

Eazy, that's the exact thought about Zodiac I had. Visually and stylistically (whatever that means) they're pretty similar. What I just thought about, though, was that they're pretty similar thematically as well. In a way they're both about guys who are working to get a story out there but run up against institutions that are not motivated to tackle it full force. And even in the end the victory in both cases are almost afterthoughts.

hay alex in sf u a fucken faget

anyway here is my fav scene~~ http://youtube.com/watch?v=oa5z77EI8y0

So so hard, but I'm going to have to go with Miami Vice which is without a doubt the best looking film I've ever seen on a big screen, except for In The Mood For Love. Not seen the first two though.

there are people who hate James Caan? This is news to me.

Well, it's usually with a demented form of bad taste. I mean, deep down I can sort of forgive Alex because, well, he's a cool dude and all, but seriously you lack a few braincells when you discard every Mann film.
I picked Heat but after watching Collateral again I had a hard time picking between these two (and Manhunter). I simply adore his style. Miami Vice is grebt as well.

Does everyone remember this?

A Michael Mann moment

Zodiac is clearly David Fincher going toe-to-toe Michael Mann

Sure! If Zodiac had any juice!

there are people who hate James Caan? This is news to me.

Landlords and ex-girlfriends from the mid-1980s.

eh. Who needs em.

i like heat but ffs it's the insider by like a country mile, ppl. michael mann is kind of bad.

yeah i voted for the insider. I liked Heat and parts of Collateral tho.

If you want to appreciate Michael Mann, for the first time or once again, go see The Kingdom when it opens this fall. This could have been a fantastic movie if he'd made it (he produced it), but instead the characters/plot/visuals aren't as sharp, and it really goes off the rails in the last third. But the premise -- total MM territory.

smooth -- that's how we do it.

guys is michael mann ..... bad

I wouldn't say he is but Public Enemies you're def right about.

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Michael Mann definitely good. Manhunter, Thief and Heat are all classics imo. His digital era movies though try to adopt this dry detached European tone that I don't think suits him and renders his movies a bit lifeless

Public Enemies is the worst of his movies that I've seen. Depp is a terrible actor under any circumstances, but the use of digital in a period piece — the particular way in which Mann uses it — often makes it look like a high school student film.

i was in a dark place last night after the blackhat sound mix, i agree in the light of day that the three mike lists there alone prob save him for life

I saw Ferrari twice in the theater. There's some astonishingly great work in that movie and from hearing Mann talk about it in terms of techinical issues, the process of overcoming those issues, etc. I think that's what keeping him engaged and having to cast Adam Driver (or Johnny Depp) is the deal to get your movie made. The nagging feeling that became obvious on the second watch was just how much of the movie you could dismiss as costume drama Top Gear.

ferrari was pretty bad. the racing scenes were great, penelope cruz was great, but the rest of it ranged from boring (so much somber dialogue in dark rooms) to cartoonish (seriously how did they hire adam driver to do another role requiring an italian accent after gucci?????)

i mean obviously they hired him to bring in the $$$ as ET noted just above but he is so badly miscast (and i like driver in some other movies)

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lol

trying to reconcile these rumors of Adam Driver playing the young Neil McCauley in Heat 2 with how Robert DeNiro looks.

isn't Adam Driver a foot taller than Bobby D?

He offered to lose height for the role

brave

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Coincidentally we just watched Ali the night before and shouted "Kamala, boma ye!" a couple of times last night.

I can't quite recommend Ali when there's hours of Muhammad Ali clips just right there on YouTube but the first 45 minutes or so of Ali is some of Mann's best work. The Liston fight sequence is incredible.

How does it stack up against the Chris Rock fight sequence

I’ve still never seen Ali. Gotta get on that.

I've tried several times but have never made it to the end.

The Ali-Liston fight is still exciting even when you knew what the outcome would be

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I had pneumonia the Christmas week Ali released and spent it on the couch watching ESPN Classic's Ali marathon - fights, documentaries, specials about him and Cosell. Pretty much made it impossible for me to ever fully get into the movie (which is really quite good as biopics go).